Bob and Ed are such "filthy-minded" individuals that the term "raggy" puts them in a "Beavis and Butthead" mode..... (ie "heh heh, he said raggy...heh heh.") BTW I'm trying to remember Bob's last name and place of origin, I'll get it eventually.....;-) Damon Brunger Telrad Electronic Services Ft Wayne, IN 46815 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alvin Rose" <ajroseca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: citizen model JCTV2704 chassis M3L523S | Hi Edward | I received this email from you in reference to the jctv2704 tv | and I am not sure what it means..Can you explain.. | Regards | Alvin | Edward Gaidies wrote: | | >More then I wanted to know.;-) | >Only Bob and I are allowed to talk dirty, as such. | >Interesting..though.;-) | > | >-Ed- | >On Aug 4, 2004, at 11:50 PM, Damon wrote: | > | > | > | >>Ooops, when you stated base waveform, I thought you meant base as in | >>"baseline".....( I rarely check base waveforms), normally they look | >>like a | >>"raggy" square wave anyways..... | >> | >>However the collector waveform should be a smooth pulse, about 12uS | >>wide, | >>anywhere from 1000V to 1100V max on most TVs, probably 80% ride right | >>around | >>1050V. | >> | >>The caps can induce a raggy looking collector pulse or heat up a | >>transistor | >>pretty fast if it's nearly open.....partly open/low value can cause it | >>to | >>fail like yours is. That 12uS pulse width can point to the problem | >>too......more than 12us generally indicates bad IHVT/leaky cap (lowered | >>voltage too), less than 11uS would show opening caps.....so the 12uS | >>check | >>is another tool in our toolbox... | >> | >>Damon Brunger | >>Telrad Electronic Services | >>Ft Wayne, IN 46815 | >>----- Original Message ----- | >>From: "Alvin Rose" <ajroseca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >>Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:18 PM | >>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: citizen model JCTV2704 chassis M3L523S | >> | >> | >>| Hi Damon | >>| I will check the capacitors in the collector circuit | >>| and the divider ladder in the pincusion circuit..the waveform | >>| I referred to was on the output transistor Base lead | >>| would this effect the input to the base lead. | >>| Alvin | >>| | >>| Damon wrote: | >>| | >>| >You have open or off-value high voltage caps on the collector, you | >>may | >>also | >>| >find bad caps in the pincushion's "divider ladder" . The spikes and | >>"square | >>| >wave" effect are the indicators. | >>| > | >>| >Damon Brunger | >>| >Telrad Electronic Services | >>| >Ft Wayne, IN 46815 | >>| >----- Original Message ----- | >>| >From: "Alvin Rose" <ajroseca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >>| >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >>| >Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:40 PM | >>| >Subject: [TechAssist] citizen model JCTV2704 chassis M3L523S | >>| > | >>| > | >>| >| Hi Guys | >>| >| we have a citizen tv which is shorting the horrizontal output | >>| >| transistor..Have replaced it twice..Set will run for half an hour | >>| >| and then will short the transistor..Scoped the collector and | >>there is | >>no | >>| >| saddle in the waveform but a small amount of ringing on the | >>reference | >>| >line. | >>| >| The base waveform looks like a modified square wave with a number | >>of | >>| >| high spikes at the start and finish of the waveform..I replaced | >>the 22 | >>mfd | >>| >| electrolytic in the primary of the driver transformer with no | >>improvement. | >>| >| Driver transister tests ok..Had anyone had this problem with this | >>model | >>| >| Your help is appreciated | >>| >| Alvin Rose | >>| >| Radio & Tv Centre | >>| >| Marystown, Nl | >>| >| | >>| >| | >>| >| | >>| >| | >>| | >> | >> | >>>| | >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- | >>>--- | >>> | >>> | >>- | >>| >--- | >>| >| Lost Password: | >>| >| http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | >>| >| Email Archives: | >>| >| //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | >>| >| | >>| > | >>| > | >>| | >> | >> | >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- | >>>----- | >>> | >>> | >>-- | >>| >Lost Password: | >>| >http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | >>| >Email Archives: | >>| >//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | >>| > | >>| > | >>| > | >>| | >>| | >>| | >>| | >>| | >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- | >>--- | >>--- | >>| Lost Password: | >>| http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | >>| Email Archives: | >>| //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | >>| | >> | >> | >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- | >>------ | >>Lost Password: | >>http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | >>Email Archives: | >>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | >> | >> | >> | >> | >Tel-Tek Electronics | >Ontario-Canada | > | >teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx | > | > | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- | >Lost Password: | >http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | >Email Archives: | >//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | > | > | > | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- | Lost Password: | http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | Email Archives: | //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lost Password: http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". 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