[TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p problem.
- From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:07:35 -0700
OK, Bob,
Like you said,...back to basics.
I have my +, and - 13 volts.
I replaced the vertical IC with a part from Electronica # TDA9302H.
D409, D445, R420, and R445, were also replaced. I have tripple checked for
bad connections, and open traces in and around the vertical IC.
I have used the TDA9302H from Electronica before, with good results. But,
NO,..I didn't use the OEM part on that one. My vertical deflection is OK. I
have a full dark raster. When I turn up the screen control, it shows Gray
raster, with retrace lines. At the top there is about 1/2 inch, that is MUCH
brighter then the rest of the screen.
I replaced the eprom (Twice) with an OEM part number 483520988527.
I socketed the eprom, and when I remove it, the set works exactly the same.
I tried all the reset proceedures that you sent me. NO change.
Cannot enter the service mode, to check the corrupted parameters that you
suggested (66, or 67).
The CRT module has been repaired, by replacing one of the driver ICs with
part # TDA6106Q, from Electronica. Also had to replace the 10 ohm resistor
R58, on the 200 volt line. The set has new H.O.T (BU2508DF) in it, and also
a new C432 (100@200).
For now, I am going to leave the original Micro-p in it, since a new one is
NLA anyway. Maybe someone will come up with an idea other then replacing it.
One more note: The missing SMD (R321) has been replaced with a 510K
resistor.
Xytal Y321 dosn't seem to matter, if it is in the ckt or not. Set works the
same without it. That don't seem normal to me. Maybe it is bad.
LLW
LeRoy Westlund
Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gemini Computer & TV <geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p problem.
>
>There is no R468 in this set. I cannot cross the 313501001321 to any
number.
>You may have a defective or incorrect EEPROM which you stated in your
>original post that you have replaced so we need to know what part number
you
>replaced it with. Usually if you do have a defective EEPROM, you should be
>able to remove it and see if the problem goes away as a test. Having said
>that, it's time to go back to basics so let's verify we have the plus and
>minus 13 volts to the vertical. If so, replace the vertical IC with the
>original part# 483520988531 ONLY!!! If you are missing one or both of the +
>or - 13 volts, check D409, D445, R420, and R445. Then let's see where we
>stand. The 483520988525 which should be the proper micro for this set is
NLA
>with no sub listed.
>
>Bob Waterman, CET® #RI-28
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 4:00 PM
>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p problem.
>
>
>>
>> That's funny. I don't see an R468 in this set. It's not listed on the
>parts
>> list, either.
>>
>> LLW
>>
>> LeRoy Westlund
>> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tel-Tek Electronics <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:26 PM
>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
problem.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Also have a note here No Video..No OSD...Open R468 1ohm/12watt.
>> >
>> >-Ed-
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:19 PM
>> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> OK, Bob,
>> >> You got me back to square one.
>> >> I have had this set here for so long, that I forgot that I had
replaced
>> >the
>> >> micro-p with one from a used chassis, that had 52 pins, instead of 42
>> >pins.
>> >> I put the original 42 pin IC345 (313501001321) back in, and now the
>set
>> >> turns on again.
>> >> Now I'm back to my original problem, of NO video, and NO OSD. If I
turn
>> up
>> >> the screen, I get retrace lines, so I know I don't have a vertical
>> >deflected
>> >> beam problem.
>> >> I also, have replaced IC271, and rebuilt the CRT board, and replaced
>the
>> >> Eprom.(which is socketed). Works the same, with or without the Eprom
>> >> installed.
>> >> Do you think it is a good idea to order the correct Miicro-p ?
>> >> The number on the original IC345 is 313501001321. Is that the new
>number
>> >for
>> >> 483520988525 ?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> LLW
>> >>
>> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
>> >> 93 North Main and look the world
>> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 right in the eye "
>> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Gemini Computer & TV <geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:53 AM
>> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>> problem.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >First of all you have a non-commercial model (90 day labor warranty).
>> >> >Usually a commercial model will have a model number that begins with
>> "PC"
>> >> or
>> >> >"PL" such as a PC7225C which is also a B7/B8 chassis series and has a
>1
>> >> year
>> >> >labor warranty. On that note, Force 32 lists the following 2 part
>> numbers
>> >> >for IC345 as follows:
>> >> >
>> >> >483520988523 (LC864132)(subs to 313501003611) for commercial models.
>> >> >483520988525 (LC864725A-5F34) for non-commercial models. This part
>shows
>> >as
>> >> >an inactive part number on the Philips Parts Store website with no
sub
>> >> >listed.
>> >> >
>> >> >Now the 613077-2 number (6130770002) subs to 483520988458 which subs
>to
>> >> >483520988384 and is an active part number.
>> >> >
>> >> >R321 is listed as a 510K, 1/10 watt resistor, part# 483511127053 for
>> >> >non-commercial models and you are correct about 0 ohms for commercial
>> >> >models.
>> >> >
>> >> >And finally the EEPROM (IC346) is listed as an ST24C04FB1, Philips
>part
>> >> >number 483520988527.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bob Waterman, CET® #RI-28
>> >> >Master Technician License #9109
>> >> >Service Manager
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>> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxx
>> >> >www.geminicomputertvsecurityalarms.com
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:50 PM
>> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>> >problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bob, and All;
>> >> >> I'm a little confused.Could you check out the part numbers for me ?
>> >> >> IC345
>> >> >> # on part is 613077-2 (52 pins).
>> >> >> # I ordered from number on microfitche 483520988523
>> >> >> # they sent me number 313501003611 (52 pins).
>> >> >> (These were for Non-commericial models).
>> >> >> Is that the right part number for my set ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Also, there is a SMD missing. It is R321. (For Non-commericial
sets)
>> it
>> >> >says
>> >> >> to use 510K part # 483511127056. ( 0 ohms for Commericial units).
>> >> >> Am I right to assume this is a Non-commericial unit ? How can I
tell
>?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> LLW
>> >> >>
>> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
>> >> >> 93 North Main and look the world
>> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 right in the eye "
>> >> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Gemini Computer & TV <geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:48 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>> >> problem.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Well in that case, it is probably one of three things. Either you
>> have
>> >a
>> >> >> new
>> >> >> >defective micro, the wrong replacement micro, or it is not
>installed
>> >> >> >properly. Can you reinstall the original micro and see if it is
>still
>> >> >dead?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Bob Waterman, CET® #RI-28
>> >> >> >Master Technician License #9109
>> >> >> >Service Manager
>> >> >> >Gemini Computer, TV, & Security Alarms
>> >> >> >(508)695-7302
>> >> >> >(508)695-7769 FAX
>> >> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxx
>> >> >> >www.geminicomputertvsecurityalarms.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:39 PM
>> >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>> >> >problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No, Bob. I have all these fixes, already.
>> >> >> >> My set is "dead" at the present time, and you have to be able to
>at
>> >> >least
>> >> >> >> turn it on, before performing some of these proceedures. It
>turned
>> >on
>> >> >> >> "before" I changed the micro-p.
>> >> >> >> I would give up on this one,...but, it has become a life long
>dream
>> >of
>> >> >> >mine
>> >> >> >> to fix it.
>> >> >> >> The set belongs to me now, so it has become a matter of
>principle,
>> >> >> instead
>> >> >> >> of profit.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> LLW
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
>> >> >> >> 93 North Main and look the
>world
>> >> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 right in the eye "
>> >> >> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>> >> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> From: Gemini Computer & TV <geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:09 PM
>> >> >> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8
Micro-p
>> >> >> problem.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Perhaps this may have been it:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Symptom: High Voltage (EHT) remains but there is no:
>> >> >> >> >OSD - Menu
>> >> >> >> >Video - Raster
>> >> >> >> >Sound
>> >> >> >> >There may be a faint line across the top of the CRT.
>> >> >> >> >Cause: Information in the EEPROM (IC346) is incorrect. This
>> >results
>> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >deadlock of the BIMOS Signal Processor. Caused in one instance
>> >when
>> >> >> >> >Register 66 on Service Page A was adjusted to FF and stored.
>> >> >> >> >Cure: If in the Service Mode exit by pressing 9, then +
(volume
>> >up).
>> >> >> >The
>> >> >> >> >set will shut off. Power on and enter the Service Mode by
>> >> >> 06-25-95-MENU.
>> >> >> >> >Press A/CH (Surf). ROM defaults will be written to the EEPROM
>and
>> >> >> normal
>> >> >> >> >operation will come back.
>> >> >> >> >Note: At this point all items in the Service Mode will have to
>> >> >adjusted
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >proper operation.
>> >> >> >> >----------------------------------
>> >> >> >> >Symptom: There may be no raster, no video (slick raster) or
only
>> >the
>> >> >top
>> >> >> >> >half of the raster.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Cause: Corrupted value in EEPROM memory, IC346, register 67
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Cure: TO AVOID CHANGING ALL MEMORY LOCATIONS:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >1. With set unplugged from AC ground pin 6 of memory IC
(IC346).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >2. Power set and turn on. Video and/or raster should be
>restored.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >3. Enter Service Mode, first page.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >4. With cursor up/down select register 67.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >5. With right/left cursor set value to 1D.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >6. While on remove ground from pin 6 of IC346.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >7. Press MENU to save. Press 9, press cursor right, set will
>turn
>> >> off.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >8. Break AC power for 10 seconds to insure value is saved.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >9. Restore AC power and check operation.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >If full video is restored in step 2 but readjustment of
register
>> 67
>> >> >does
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> >resolve the problem do the following:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >A. Perform steps #1, #2 and #3 above.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >B. While in the Service Mode record all displayed values in
>pages
>> B
>> >> >> >through
>> >> >> >> >H.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >C. Return to page A (press 1) & press A/CH on remote to write
>> >> defaults
>> >> >> >from
>> >> >> >> >the micro-P to the memory IC.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >D. Complete steps 7, 8 and 9 above.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >E. Turn on set, enter Service Mode and reset pages B through H
>to
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >recorded values in Step B.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Bob Waterman, CET® #RI-28
>> >> >> >> >Master Technician License #9109
>> >> >> >> >Service Manager
>> >> >> >> >Gemini Computer, TV, & Security Alarms
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>> >> >> >> >(508)695-7769 FAX
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>> >> >> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxx
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>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >> >To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:45 PM
>> >> >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>> >> problem.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> >> >> I have had multiple problems with this set. I repaired the
>> >typical
>> >> >> >> >vertical
>> >> >> >> >> problem, plus the typical problems associated with the CRT
>> board,
>> >> >etc.
>> >> >> >> >> I had everything working, except still NO video. I replaced
>the
>> >> >EPROM
>> >> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> >> no help, and as a last resort, I decided to change the
>micro-p.
>> >> >> >> >> My new problem: After replacing the micro-p, I can't get the
>> set
>> >> to
>> >> >> >even
>> >> >> >> >> turn on. I did a nice clean solder job, and checked my
>> >> >> >> >> work,...but,....NOTHING.
>> >> >> >> >> I remember seeing a post a while back, that had this same
>> >symptom,
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >> fix,..but, I can't find it. I thought I had saved it.
>> >> >> >> >> Can anyone help me with this problem ?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks for your time,
>> >> >> >> >> LLW
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> >> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
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>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
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