[TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p problem.
- From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:08:33 -0700
Peggs,
No Audio / video inputs on this model.
Fax # is same as phone. Try sending a second time, in case I don't have time
to turn the fax on. Mine isn't set-up on auto. I need time to set it up.
Only a couple of minutes.
Thanks,
LLW
LeRoy Westlund
Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
93 North Main and look the world
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-----Original Message-----
From: peggs <peggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p problem.
>
>Does the set have A/V inputs ???
>
>Peggs
>
>At 11:19 AM 3/27/03, LeRoy Westlund wrote:
>
>>OK, Bob,
>>You got me back to square one.
>>I have had this set here for so long, that I forgot that I had replaced
the
>>micro-p with one from a used chassis, that had 52 pins, instead of 42
pins.
>>I put the original 42 pin IC345 (313501001321) back in, and now the set
>>turns on again.
>>Now I'm back to my original problem, of NO video, and NO OSD. If I turn up
>>the screen, I get retrace lines, so I know I don't have a vertical
deflected
>>beam problem.
>>I also, have replaced IC271, and rebuilt the CRT board, and replaced the
>>Eprom.(which is socketed). Works the same, with or without the Eprom
>>installed.
>>Do you think it is a good idea to order the correct Miicro-p ?
>>The number on the original IC345 is 313501001321. Is that the new number
for
>>483520988525 ?
>>
>>Regards,
>>LLW
>>
>>LeRoy Westlund
>>Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
>>93 North Main and look the world
>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 right in the eye "
>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Gemini Computer & TV <geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:53 AM
>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p problem.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >First of all you have a non-commercial model (90 day labor warranty).
>> >Usually a commercial model will have a model number that begins with
"PC"
>>or
>> >"PL" such as a PC7225C which is also a B7/B8 chassis series and has a 1
>>year
>> >labor warranty. On that note, Force 32 lists the following 2 part
numbers
>> >for IC345 as follows:
>> >
>> >483520988523 (LC864132)(subs to 313501003611) for commercial models.
>> >483520988525 (LC864725A-5F34) for non-commercial models. This part shows
as
>> >an inactive part number on the Philips Parts Store website with no sub
>> >listed.
>> >
>> >Now the 613077-2 number (6130770002) subs to 483520988458 which subs to
>> >483520988384 and is an active part number.
>> >
>> >R321 is listed as a 510K, 1/10 watt resistor, part# 483511127053 for
>> >non-commercial models and you are correct about 0 ohms for commercial
>> >models.
>> >
>> >And finally the EEPROM (IC346) is listed as an ST24C04FB1, Philips part
>> >number 483520988527.
>> >
>> >Bob Waterman, CET® #RI-28
>> >Master Technician License #9109
>> >Service Manager
>> >Gemini Computer, TV, & Security Alarms
>> >(508)695-7302
>> >(508)695-7769 FAX
>> >geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >geminitv@xxxxxxx
>> >www.geminicomputertvsecurityalarms.com
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:50 PM
>> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Bob, and All;
>> >> I'm a little confused.Could you check out the part numbers for me ?
>> >> IC345
>> >> # on part is 613077-2 (52 pins).
>> >> # I ordered from number on microfitche 483520988523
>> >> # they sent me number 313501003611 (52 pins).
>> >> (These were for Non-commericial models).
>> >> Is that the right part number for my set ?
>> >>
>> >> Also, there is a SMD missing. It is R321. (For Non-commericial sets)
it
>> >says
>> >> to use 510K part # 483511127056. ( 0 ohms for Commericial units).
>> >> Am I right to assume this is a Non-commericial unit ? How can I tell ?
>> >>
>> >> LLW
>> >>
>> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
>> >> 93 North Main and look the world
>> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 right in the eye "
>> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Gemini Computer & TV <geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:48 PM
>> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>>problem.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Well in that case, it is probably one of three things. Either you
have a
>> >> new
>> >> >defective micro, the wrong replacement micro, or it is not installed
>> >> >properly. Can you reinstall the original micro and see if it is still
>> >dead?
>> >> >
>> >> >Bob Waterman, CET® #RI-28
>> >> >Master Technician License #9109
>> >> >Service Manager
>> >> >Gemini Computer, TV, & Security Alarms
>> >> >(508)695-7302
>> >> >(508)695-7769 FAX
>> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxx
>> >> >www.geminicomputertvsecurityalarms.com
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:39 PM
>> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>> >problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, Bob. I have all these fixes, already.
>> >> >> My set is "dead" at the present time, and you have to be able to at
>> >least
>> >> >> turn it on, before performing some of these proceedures. It turned
on
>> >> >> "before" I changed the micro-p.
>> >> >> I would give up on this one,...but, it has become a life long dream
of
>> >> >mine
>> >> >> to fix it.
>> >> >> The set belongs to me now, so it has become a matter of principle,
>> >> instead
>> >> >> of profit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> LLW
>> >> >>
>> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
>> >> >> 93 North Main and look the world
>> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 right in the eye "
>> >> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Gemini Computer & TV <geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:09 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>> >> problem.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Perhaps this may have been it:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Symptom: High Voltage (EHT) remains but there is no:
>> >> >> >OSD - Menu
>> >> >> >Video - Raster
>> >> >> >Sound
>> >> >> >There may be a faint line across the top of the CRT.
>> >> >> >Cause: Information in the EEPROM (IC346) is incorrect. This
results
>> >in
>> >> >> >deadlock of the BIMOS Signal Processor. Caused in one instance
when
>> >> >> >Register 66 on Service Page A was adjusted to FF and stored.
>> >> >> >Cure: If in the Service Mode exit by pressing 9, then + (volume
up).
>> >> >The
>> >> >> >set will shut off. Power on and enter the Service Mode by
>> >> 06-25-95-MENU.
>> >> >> >Press A/CH (Surf). ROM defaults will be written to the EEPROM and
>> >> normal
>> >> >> >operation will come back.
>> >> >> >Note: At this point all items in the Service Mode will have to
>> >adjusted
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> >proper operation.
>> >> >> >----------------------------------
>> >> >> >Symptom: There may be no raster, no video (slick raster) or only
the
>> >top
>> >> >> >half of the raster.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Cause: Corrupted value in EEPROM memory, IC346, register 67
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Cure: TO AVOID CHANGING ALL MEMORY LOCATIONS:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >1. With set unplugged from AC ground pin 6 of memory IC (IC346).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >2. Power set and turn on. Video and/or raster should be restored.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >3. Enter Service Mode, first page.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >4. With cursor up/down select register 67.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >5. With right/left cursor set value to 1D.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >6. While on remove ground from pin 6 of IC346.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >7. Press MENU to save. Press 9, press cursor right, set will turn
>>off.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >8. Break AC power for 10 seconds to insure value is saved.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >9. Restore AC power and check operation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >If full video is restored in step 2 but readjustment of register
67
>> >does
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> >resolve the problem do the following:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >A. Perform steps #1, #2 and #3 above.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >B. While in the Service Mode record all displayed values in pages
B
>> >> >through
>> >> >> >H.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >C. Return to page A (press 1) & press A/CH on remote to write
>>defaults
>> >> >from
>> >> >> >the micro-P to the memory IC.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >D. Complete steps 7, 8 and 9 above.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >E. Turn on set, enter Service Mode and reset pages B through H to
the
>> >> >> >recorded values in Step B.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Bob Waterman, CET® #RI-28
>> >> >> >Master Technician License #9109
>> >> >> >Service Manager
>> >> >> >Gemini Computer, TV, & Security Alarms
>> >> >> >(508)695-7302
>> >> >> >(508)695-7769 FAX
>> >> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >geminitv@xxxxxxx
>> >> >> >www.geminicomputertvsecurityalarms.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:45 PM
>> >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Philips TS2744C103 chassis 27B8 Micro-p
>>problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> >> I have had multiple problems with this set. I repaired the
typical
>> >> >> >vertical
>> >> >> >> problem, plus the typical problems associated with the CRT
board,
>> >etc.
>> >> >> >> I had everything working, except still NO video. I replaced the
>> >EPROM
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> no help, and as a last resort, I decided to change the micro-p.
>> >> >> >> My new problem: After replacing the micro-p, I can't get the
set
>>to
>> >> >even
>> >> >> >> turn on. I did a nice clean solder job, and checked my
>> >> >> >> work,...but,....NOTHING.
>> >> >> >> I remember seeing a post a while back, that had this same
symptom,
>> >and
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >> fix,..but, I can't find it. I thought I had saved it.
>> >> >> >> Can anyone help me with this problem ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks for your time,
>> >> >> >> LLW
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " Walk tall,...Walk straight
>> >> >> >> 93 North Main and look the
world
>> >> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 right in the eye "
>> >> >> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>> >> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
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