[TCUG] Re: Bleep and Sweep
- From: "Peter Jones" <Peter.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:48:40 +0100
Just pondering accents, would a gentle Welsh accent help?
I suspect if I continue down this road with more examples, I am likely
to be refused access to this service in future! Good one for the pub.
Peter Jones
Principal Traffic Systems Engineer
Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254
Fax: +44 (0) 151 922 4514
Sefton MBC - UTC
3rd Floor
Magdalen House
30 Trinity Road
Bootle
L20 3NJ
>>> Grahame Bath <grahame.bath@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10/10/2007 16:30 >>>
We have no interest in Bleep and Sweep, instead favouring the standard
audible and tactile units.
I am interested in the success of the talking pelican however because,
being a sad s*d I dragged
my family around Edinburgh trying to find the first experimental
installation.
I failed to find it but was later directed to the installation at
Inverness
where we watched pedestrians
literally jump when the broad Scottish voice boomed out that the
traffic
coming from Wharf Bridge
had been given a red signal to stop.
We noticed a number of pedestrians not pressing the button, possibly
in
fear of "the voice".
Do you have any experience of that?
Regards
Grahame Bath
..............................................................................
Senior Engineer
Network Management & Information Team
Transport for Surrey, Surrey County Council
020 8541 7346 (Tel) 020 8541 7366 (Fax)
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Please respond to tcug
Bernie,
Thanks for that. I can believe everything except the 'basking in
sunshine' bit!
Regards
Peter
Peter Jones
Principal Traffic Systems Engineer
Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254
Fax: +44 (0) 151 922 4514
Sefton MBC - UTC
3rd Floor
Magdalen House
30 Trinity Road
Bootle
L20 3NJ
>>> "Bernard Japs" <Bernie.Japs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10/10/2007 12:39 >>>
Peter
The first prototype 'talking pelican' was installed in Edinburgh in
1981. Since then, they've flourished in Scotland and the current
modular
design is slick and miniscule.
This first installation occurred over 20 years ago so the
intransigence
'down south' is
baffling.
PS: I'll 'keep an eye out' for any suitable posts in sunny Scotland
Peter - I'm basking in the sunshine up here!
Bernie
CITY OF EDINBURGH COUNCIL
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Peter Jones
Sent: 10 October 2007 12:03
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Subject: [TCUG] Re: Bleep and Sweep
Bernie,
You may be able to move the earth north of the boarder but things tend
not to move as quickly down here! I believe there are many new
facilities and innovations that could be implemented easily but
bureaucracy is a far bigger hurdle than practicality... any jobs up
there? :-)
Peter
Peter Jones
Principal Traffic Systems Engineer
Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254
Fax: +44 (0) 151 922 4514
Sefton MBC - UTC
3rd Floor
Magdalen House
30 Trinity Road
Bootle
L20 3NJ
>>> "Bernard Japs" <Bernie.Japs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10/10/2007 10:52 >>>
I'm surprised that 'bleep and sweep' facilities are still being
considered by certain local authorities. I tested this type of
pedestrian facility in Edinburgh about 15 years ago and the blind
pedestrians, who used it, rejected the test facility. The popular
choice
at that time was the famous 'Talking Pelican Crossing' and 'tactile
cones' were also favoured.
The main point to note re 'bleep and sweep' is ambiguous audio signals
are present - deflected by passing vehicles. Also it is a pity that
Talking Pelican/Puffin facilities are still unrecognised in England.
Do
you not have a 'lobby group' to force such issues on your governing
bodies?
Bernie Japs
CITY OF EDINBURGH COUNCIL=3D20
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Behalf Of Andrew Phipps
Sent: 09 October 2007 17:47
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Subject: [TCUG] Bleep and Sweep
I am being asked to investigate the use of Bleep and Sweep at an
existing dual Pelican crossing, which currently has tactile devices,
and
having read TAL 4/91, this particular crossing can accommodate the
signal. We currently do not have any sites with this type of signal
installed, and therefore, I would welcome any feedback on any issues
that may arise or have arisen when installing Bleep and Sweep.
Regards
Andrew Phipps
Traffic Signal Engineer
Traffic and Transportation
Glamorgan Engineering Consultancy
Moy Road Industrial Estate
Taff's Well
Cardiff
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