Rob, If you delve into your old Traffic Advisory Leaflets, number 8/93 included a statement; "The length of cycle lane on the approach will vary according to the particular cicumstances of individual sites but should generally be as long as the longest queue of traffic when the signal is red." Maybe this is the article you are trying to remember? Regards A R Boyle Traffic Signals Unit Somerset. -----Original Message----- From: R.J.Perry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:R.J.Perry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 25 June 2004 10:17 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Advanced stoplines for cyclists ASL's Ladies and Gentlemen can you provide some advice please. I have been scratching my head trying to remember where I read about the length of near side cycle-lanes leading to ASL. The only other information I recall is that the article or advice said that ASL's with no cycle lane or a very short lane were pointless as the cyclist couldn't get to the ASL. Can anyone remind me where I may have read about this. Many thanks Rob ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug This communication is intended solely for the person (s) or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not the intended recipient (s), you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender and copy the message to ICTDHelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Individuals are advised that by replying to, or sending an e-mail message to Somerset County Council, you accept that you have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy. In line with the Surveillance and Monitoring Policy, any e-mail messages (and attachments) transmitted over the Council's network may be subject to scrutiny. ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug