Okay, when it comes to "Green Oil" no, however I will defer to somebody else to do that testing. As for the Green movement and the planet, I'm a Carlinista. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw Right now I can't convince the FRA to turn off the fricken locomotives when they're not in use, so I don't think that Green Lubricating Oil will make much of a difference. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:22 PM, atx <atx_bus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From G oil to the sperm whale. The sperm whale has additional scientific > importance to us these days. It's cells helped us figure out the molecular > structure of hemoglobin, that oxygen carrying component of our red blood > cells. > > Will--what do you think of Green motor oil, have you done any research? > > Sorry if this can of worms filled your inbox today. > > Jeff > > sent via iPhone > > > On Mar 10, 2010, at 3:34 PM, "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > That's the theory and is based on what Gene Berg did a long time ago. Gene > came out and said he tested it and it didn't cool the engine as well, so it > became biblical. From all of the data I've seen over the past 15 years the > convection argument is mute, both pull heat out of the engine and synthetics > can reduce heat more because they allow less friction in the engine. For > me: > > 1) They lubricate better > 2) I can run a thinner weight oil for any given condition without them > becoming as thin as water when at operating temps. I also don't worry about > the temps for the most part. Just drive it. > 3) Longer Duration between changes, run a filter. If you're running > without a filter, you need to change the oil more frequently anyway to get > rid of the crap that starts to build > within the oil, so going to Synthetic starts to make less technical vs. > economic sense at that point. I tend to want the best I can get because > parts are not cheap. If you haven't priced or found Okrasa 86mm cranks, > you'll know what I'm talking about. In three of my ACVWs I run bypass > filters that really clean out the gunk as well. The 52 runs synthetic, the > 59 and the do as well. > > The other part of the argument is that not a lot of folks publish their > test results based on standard testing, AMS as well as Royal Purple both > publish information > > > > <http://www.synthetic-motor-oil-change-and-filters.com/amsoil_articles/mineral-petrolium-oil-compared-to-synthetic/> > http://www.synthetic-motor-oil-change-and-filters.com/amsoil_articles/mineral-petrolium-oil-compared-to-synthetic/ > > So, YMMV, if you're happy with petro-oil go with it, but synthetics are > also base petro-oils with modified molecular chains. > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Eric Woodall < <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> I think it has more to do with the synthetics holding onto the heat. >> Dino oils are supposedly better at dissipating heat. >> I've been running 10w30 for a long time. >> >> w.wood wrote: >> > "generally the aircooled vw >> > doesn't like synthetics." >> > >> > Yes, we all know motor oil hasn't evolved in the past 50 years and >> > what sludge was good in the 1930s is now still applicable in terms of >> > molecular technology. The troglodytes will still hold onto their >> > beliefs. "Yeah run 50W straight.. That works." Nobody of course >> > realizes how truly thick straight 50 is nor how much power it robs >> > just to pump it through the engine, but again, it was good for grandpa.. >> > >> > Unfortunately all ACVWs are becoming antiques so I guess the antique >> > mantra should still be upheld. Does anybody know where a good old >> > Sperm Whale is? I need to lubricate my torsion bars. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Eric Woodall < <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > <mailto: <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >> > >> > If you don't believe me, repost that topic on TheSamba. >> > Serious stuff. >> > Basically everybody likes what they like, and generally the >> > aircooled vw >> > doesn't like synthetics. >> > >> > ATX BUS wrote: >> > > A motor oil debate is akin to politics and religion? Wow, that's >> a >> > > serious can of worms. >> > > >> > > Jeff >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > *From:* Eric Woodall < <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > <mailto: <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> >> > > *To:* <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > <mailto:<tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> > > *Sent:* Wed, March 10, 2010 1:03:07 PM >> > > *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Tree hugger from Austin >> > > >> > > All I know is the oil debate is long and heated, akin to >> > politics and >> > > religion. >> > > >> > > ATX BUS wrote: >> > > > Anyone ever ran their aircooled v-dub on Green (biodegradable) >> > motor >> > > > oil. Sounds like it would be a good idea, easy to do and >> > better for >> > > > the environment. >> > > > >> > > > Here is a quick link. The video mirrors the text so you don't >> > have to >> > > > watch to get the idea. The only question I have is the mechanic >> > > > states, "better for your car, better for the environmment." I >> > wonder >> > > > how he would support the better for you car claim? >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> <http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/local/30910-FOXe-Report-Biodegradable-Motor-Oil> >> http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/local/30910-FOXe-Report-Biodegradable-Motor-Oil >> > > > >> > > > Jeff >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > My Email Moniker >> > <http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,1570570433.aspx> >> http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,1570570433.aspx >> >> >> > > > -- > My Email Moniker > <http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,1570570433.aspx> > http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,1570570433.aspx > > > -- My Email Moniker http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,1570570433.aspx