[SI-LIST] Re: OT: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
- From: "Catherine Paradiso -X \(caparadi - Spherion at Cisco\)" <caparadi@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <James.Freeman@xxxxxxx>, <pchauhan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:32:19 -0700
If there are any US or any other engineers out there that can't find
work, call me or send an email, yes you must have the H1B if you are
not a US Citizen. I currently have an opening for a Product Manager
III, and am looking for 5 SW development, strong in testing.... It's
been an interesting debate since AL's joke email about the Out of
office..... =20
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Talent Acquisition and Management
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Phone :800-491-6705
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-----Original Message-----
From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of James Freeman
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:21 PM
To: pchauhan@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: si-list
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: OT: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
Hi Prakash,
=20
Before the Revolutionary war in the thirteen colonies, there was a
program of indentured servitude. A person from Europe who wanted to
migrate to America would indenture themselves(almost slavery) to a rich
colonial in return for a payment of passage on a ship to the colonies.
This practice is now in full-force by Tata, Wipro, and Infosys( who
consume about 96% of the H1-B visas). The beneficiaries are the
well-to-do Indians that own these companies almost in total. The
unfortunate losers are those Indian H1-Bs who are not as lucky as you
and are in limbo to a globalist U.S. company who has led them to believe
that there will be a green card in the future(always just around the
corner) and the native born U.S. engineers who can't find a job.
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Thanks
Jim Freeman
Chauhan, Prakash wrote:
>Hi Agathon,
> I am an Indian who used to work for Wipro, in the beautiful city
of=20
>Bangalore and was hired by Dell (in Austin) on an H1B visa, 10 years=20
>ago. My first response on reading your post was one of dismay (due to=20
>the insults and negative comments that you hurled at a company that you
>have not worked for and to a country you have not lived in). You have=20
>dragged in a lot of different suggestions in your post (Indian=20
>companies are Fraudulent, Indian workers are incompetent or stupid or=20
>both, India is a place where no American would want to tread, much less
>work). I suppose if venting your rage helps you think more clearly,=20
>there would still be something positive to take out of this. I tried=20
>to come up with some reasons why India and the US are good partners and
>will be for a long time to come. I also tried to rebut some of your=20
>statements but this is not something easily done, when your mind is=20
>made.=3D20
>
>1. The US needs India to stay competitive in Hi-Tech. The US has=20
>money and Ideas, India has the human resources to allow these ideas to=20
>be implemented in a cost effective way. India needs investment to=20
>bring the masses out of poverty and chart their future.
>
>2. The dotcom bust was a far larger cause of job losses and economic=20
>hardships than H1B visas. In fact the H1B contractors were the first=20
>to be laid off when the downturn arrived. The H1B program was=20
>invaluable in resolving the Y2K bug whereby the large firms worldwide=20
>could take advantage of cheap programmers from India. American firms=20
>were able to survive the lean times after the dotcom bust better=20
>because of cost cutting that they could afford to do, thanks to=20
>outsourcing. If US IT companies stop outsourcing, they might end up in
>same boat as US manufacturing, automotive and agricultural industries=20
>(not efficient enough to compete in a global market).
>
>3. The Middle class in India will be the same size as the entire US=20
>population, by 2025. India and China are a huge market opportunity for
>US firms to sell their stuff to (Check out the growth rates for=20
>Computers, Cell Phones, Cars and other commodities in India). I will=20
>not be too surprised if a large swath of American companies makes a=20
>large amount of their revenues by selling to Indian & Chinese consumers
>in the near future.
>
>4. It may be true that there is corruption and class culture in India,=20
>but things are getting better with increased transparency in government
>and a free and raucous media. No government or system is ideal. You=20
>had slavery and segregation in the not too distant past in the USA. As
>for corruption and fraudulent behavior: Watergate, Iran Contra affair,=20
>Iraq war, Enron, Worldcom.. There are plenty of examples where the=20
>system failed leading to lives and livelihoods lost.
>
>5. We are all human beings, trying to secure the best for ourselves=20
>and our families and communities. Bad mouthing and scape-goating=20
>someone else will not solve the problems of this world.
>
>6. To become an Engineer in India, one needs to take an entrance test=20
>(after high school). Here below is a link to a sample Physics paper=20
>that you have to solve in 3 hours. I am sure you can convince yourself=20
>that Indian engineers also know some Physics. That said, I know that=20
>many Indian Engineers fresh out of school are lacking in real world=20
>experience and implementation.
>
>
>http://www.iitjee.org/iit-question-papers/iit-jee-2003-main/iit-jee-200
>3
>-physics-main.html
>
>
>
>Thank You for listening to my rant. I don't expect it to change=20
>anything.
>
>Regards,
>Prakash
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
>[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of agathon
>Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:31 AM
>To: Andrew W. Riley III; si-list
>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: OT: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
>
>re: going elsewhere to find information:
>Glad to oblige...
>Google these:
>wipro (h-1b OR h1) fraud
>wipro (h-1b OR h1) fraud -explain -dice -outsourcing -letters
>
>The 2nd one filters out alot of redundant ones, but the 1st one's top=20
>results are important.
>
>Also...
>
>Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage (Norm=20
>Matloff, UC
>Davis)
>http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.html
>
>vdare mar-04-03 - Is Outsourcing Trade - Or Dispossession=20
>http://www.vdare.com/roberts/free_trade_notes.htm (note: I have no=20
>political associations)
>
>Using L-1 to get around H-1B --BW March 10, 2003 A Visa Loophole as=20
>Big as a Mainframe=20
>http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_10/b3823111_mz021.htm
>
>Office of Special Counsel for Immigration Related Unfair Employment=20
>Practices http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/htm/contactus.htm
>
>H-1B Class Action Legal Information
>http://www.geocities.com/h1baction/Law.html
>
>LCA Database Tutorial
>http://www.jobdestruction.com/LCA-Data/Tutorial.htm (main page has a
>signup for the newsletter, very influential)
>
>
>
>
>On 7/5/07, Andrew W. Riley III <drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> =20
>
>>Howdy Steve,
>>
>>Understood, and I actually agree. But how would I know to go there?
>> =20
>>
>More
> =20
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>>than a few times I have thought there needs to be an appropriate way
>> =20
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>to go
> =20
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>>OT and still have the possibility of including the invaluable thoughts
>> =20
>>
>of
> =20
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>>anyone on the SI-List.
>>
>>Oh well. I thank each of you for your educational posts.
>>
>>Cheers!
>>Drew
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "steve weir" <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Cc: <praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx>; <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:08 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] OT: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
>>
>>
>> =20
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>>>Drew, this is a global technical forum that allows job postings.
>>>Praveen's posts fell easily within those parameters. Agathon's post
>>> =20
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>was
> =20
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>>>out of bounds on several fronts. The internet is filled with
>>> =20
>>>
>places
> =20
>
>>>where Agathon's post would be far more appropriate.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>Steve.
>>>Andrew W. Riley III wrote:
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>>>
>>>>Hmm,
>>>>
>>>>I believe at the *very* most an "OT" should be prepended to the
>>>> =20
>>>>
>subject
> =20
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>>>>line and Agathon's post is a very relevant albeit noticeably
>>>> =20
>>>>
>sensitive
> =20
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>>>>topic.
>>>>
>>>>Personally, I also believe that I have been able to get back into
>>>> =20
>>>>
>the
> =20
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>>>>career I love because more than a few US companies were tired of
>>>> =20
>>>>
>paying
> =20
>
>>>>for a bookmark from outsourcing the layout of their design to other=20
>>>>countries.
>>>>
>>>>At the risk of being flogged, I would like to hear more.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers!
>>>>Drew
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:52 AM
>>>>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>First of all, I don't think this is a forum where we discuss=20
>>>>>globalization, its impact, outsourcing or H1/L1 Visa frauds. Those=20
>>>>>things are heavens apart from the scope of this list. This message
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>is
> =20
>
>>>>>only for the needy and if someone is not implicated, he/she should
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>keep
>> =20
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>>>>>quiet.
>>>>>
>>>>>As the welcome message clearly states, this is a forum to discuss
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>SI
> =20
>
>>>>>related stuff and may be post SI related job opportunities (that
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>too
> =20
>
>>>>>with utmost caution).
>>>>>
>>>>>Moderator, can you please block these irrelevant messages/senders?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks and regards,
>>>>>Praveen
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>From: agathon [mailto:hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>Sent: Thu 7/5/2007 7:38 AM
>>>>>To: Praveen Srikantaiah (WT01 - TES-Transport Infrastructure)
>>>>>Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is interesting. Let's assume this job posting is real.
>>>>>
>>>>>After years of displacing U.S. citizens via fraudulent use of H-1B
>>>>> =20
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>>_and_
>> =20
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>>>>>L-1 visas, Wipro has the cajones to post, right in our face, an=20
>>>>>offer of employment in India. No quantity of rupees could
>>>>> =20
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>compensate.
> =20
>
>>>>>Now, some obvious questions arise.
>>>>>
>>>>>What U.S. citizen are they expecting to hire? If they don't
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>expect
> =20
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>>to,
>> =20
>>
>>>>>as anyone can subscribe to the si-list, then what non-U.S. citizen
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>from
>> =20
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>>>>>what country would want such a job location? No, the U.S. - as we=20
>>>>>know - is a declining place, so suddenly not producing enough
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>engineers
>> =20
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>>>>>and other professionals, it's like the bubonic plague by God, for
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>which
>> =20
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>>>>>India and China had to come to the rescue. But, I don't think
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>your
> =20
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>>>>>typical U.S. citizen engineer would take very well to the
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>corruption
> =20
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>>>>>over there and stark class society.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, why is Wipro having an issue filling the job with the
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>'superior'
> =20
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>>>>>non-U.S. citizen worker?
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmm... possibly is the targeted candidate Indian? Might they be
>>>>> =20
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>in
> =20
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>>>>>the U.S.? Are there no direct means within India to find such a
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>person?
>> =20
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>>>>>Evidently not. And evidently a shortage exists within Wipro and=20
>>>>>wherever their tentacles reach. Wait, I thought - as the Indian
>>>>> =20
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>(and
> =20
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>>>>>U.S., unfortunately) press trumpet - the Indian engineer is so
>>>>> =20
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>much
> =20
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>>>>>better and they produce masses of them? What's the problem
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>finding an
> =20
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>>>>>Indian engineer who also knows a little physics? Gee whiz. So
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>sad.
> =20
>
>>>>>I've just heard (BBC I think) that U.S. companies are closing
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>Indian
> =20
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>>>>>operations. And, the Indian edge is decreasing due to costs. So,
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>don't
>> =20
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>>>>>offer the weak crap that it's demand that's causing the Wipro
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>posting.
> =20
>
>>>>>Intel is going to Vietnam, instead. Yep, the race to the
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>bottom. Even
>> =20
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>>>>>the Indians might actually catch a clue sometime
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>soon. Americans? No;
>> =20
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>>>>>too deep in sleep. I have NEVER met an H-1B/L-1 who could
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>contribute
> =20
>
>>to
>> =20
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>>>>>any SI effort and, at Intel on one occasion, only contributed to=20
>>>>>negative productivity.
>>>>>
>>>>>More likely, Wipro and the like are starting to retrench and build
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>the
> =20
>
>>>>>home base. Especially since the H-1B cap wasn't raised. The
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>rampant
> =20
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>>>>>fraud in India has drained off alot of the H-1B slots, leaving
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>Wipro
> =20
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>>>>>high and dry. Well, waddya know, the law of supply and demand
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>does
> =20
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>>>>>exist. Just not in the usual way. Yee ha!!
>>>>>
>>>>>"Fraudsters walk away with H1B visas!"
>>>>>http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=3D3D2421&tstart=3D3D=
0
>>>>>"Glen Keiser, Consular Section Chief, US Consulate, Mumbai said,
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>"We
> =20
>
>>>>>have found to our regret that Hyderabad and Bangalore are centres
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>of
> =20
>
>>H1B
>> =20
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>>>>>visa fraud and that it is not difficult to walk into an operation
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>and
> =20
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>>>>>someone rather forthrightly tell you that they can produce
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>anything to
> =20
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>>>>>appear to qualify for an H1B visa...". The link at the above link
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>has
> =20
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>>>>>Indian tv video describing Wipro's Woes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The 5% of their GDP that is tech exports (incl. services) is not
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>growing
>> =20
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>>>>>as in the past and the nervousness doth rear its ugly head. Plus,
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>the
> =20
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>>>>>only way to exploit the L-1 visa is to have personnel employed at
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>a
> =20
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>>>>>"home base", ready for transfer to the U.S. - without any
>>>>> =20
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>protections
> =20
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>>>>>for U.S. citizens whatsoever (not even any H-1B fig leaf
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>protection).
> =20
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>>>>>So, this is a rich thought... Like my mom always said, "the truth
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>will
>> =20
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>>>>>out". And it cometh right quick. So I say India should legislate
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>a
> =20
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>>>>>US-1 visa whereby we foreigners may be imported to save the ship.
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>At
> =20
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>>an
>> =20
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>>>>>appropriate premium, of course. But, that might have to wait
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>until
> =20
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>>>>>AFTER our Congress has devolved us further, maybe into 3rd World
>>>>> =20
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>>status.
>> =20
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>>>>>Obviously, since India is apparently incapable of producing
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>someone
> =20
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>>>>>skilled enough, Wipro is counting on past H-1B exploitation of
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>Indians
> =20
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>>&
>> =20
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>>>>>Americans having produced someone who can do this work from their
>>>>> =20
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>U.S.
> =20
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>>>>>experience _and_ who now wants to work in Bangalore, ready to
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>continue
> =20
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>>>>>taking work from U.S. citizens, or others, in their own country.
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>That
>> =20
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>>>>>takes balls. And a U.S. Congress bought and paid for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 6/29/07, praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx <
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx
>> =20
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>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>Wipro Technologies' SI group is looking for an SI engineer with
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>around
> =20
>
>>>>>10 years of experience. The job is based out of Bangalore, India.
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>Below
>> =20
>>
>>>>>is the job description. If interested email me.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Praveen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Roles & Responsibilities
>>>>>PCB stack-up definition, PCB material selection, and layer
>>>>> =20
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>assignment
> =20
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>>as
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>>>>>per Signal Integrity / Cross talk requirements.
>>>>>Do pre-layout and post-layout signal Integrity analysis for
>>>>> =20
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>various
> =20
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>>>>>boards.
>>>>>Review analysis results and all checks as per guidelines needed by
>>>>> =20
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>>Wipro
>> =20
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>>>>> =20
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> =20
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>>>>> =20
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>like
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>>>>>Telecom, Computing, Embedded, Automotive, Consumer Electronics
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>etc.
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>>>>> =20
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>different
> =20
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>>>>> =20
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>Hyperlynx,
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>>>>> =20
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>Analysis
> =20
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>>of
>> =20
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>>>>>PCI express, XAUI or similar interfaces is a must.
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