[SI-LIST] Re: OT: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
- From: agathon <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Andrew W. Riley III" <drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxx>, si-list <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:31:25 -0700
re: going elsewhere to find information:
Glad to oblige...
Google these:
wipro (h-1b OR h1) fraud
wipro (h-1b OR h1) fraud -explain -dice -outsourcing -letters
The 2nd one filters out alot of redundant ones, but the 1st one's top
results are important.
Also...
Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage (Norm Matloff, UC
Davis)
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.html
vdare mar-04-03 - Is Outsourcing Trade ? Or Dispossession
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/free_trade_notes.htm (note: I have no
political associations)
Using L-1 to get around H-1B --BW March 10, 2003 A Visa Loophole as Big as
a Mainframe
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_10/b3823111_mz021.htm
Office of Special Counsel for Immigration Related Unfair Employment
Practices
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/htm/contactus.htm
H-1B Class Action Legal Information
http://www.geocities.com/h1baction/Law.html
LCA Database Tutorial
http://www.jobdestruction.com/LCA-Data/Tutorial.htm (main page has a
signup for the newsletter, very influential)
On 7/5/07, Andrew W. Riley III <drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Howdy Steve,
>
> Understood, and I actually agree. But how would I know to go there? More
> than a few times I have thought there needs to be an appropriate way to go
> OT and still have the possibility of including the invaluable thoughts of
> anyone on the SI-List.
>
> Oh well. I thank each of you for your educational posts.
>
> Cheers!
> Drew
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve weir" <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx>; <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] OT: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
>
>
> > Drew, this is a global technical forum that allows job postings.
> > Praveen's posts fell easily within those parameters. Agathon's post was
> > out of bounds on several fronts. The internet is filled with places
> > where Agathon's post would be far more appropriate.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Steve.
> > Andrew W. Riley III wrote:
> >> Hmm,
> >>
> >> I believe at the *very* most an "OT" should be prepended to the subject
> >> line and Agathon's post is a very relevant albeit noticeably sensitive
> >> topic.
> >>
> >> Personally, I also believe that I have been able to get back into the
> >> career I love because more than a few US companies were tired of paying
> >> for a bookmark from outsourcing the layout of their design to other
> >> countries.
> >>
> >> At the risk of being flogged, I would like to hear more.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:52 AM
> >> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> First of all, I don't think this is a forum where we discuss
> >>> globalization, its impact, outsourcing or H1/L1 Visa frauds. Those
> >>> things are heavens apart from the scope of this list. This message is
> >>> only for the needy and if someone is not implicated, he/she should
> keep
> >>> quiet.
> >>>
> >>> As the welcome message clearly states, this is a forum to discuss SI
> >>> related stuff and may be post SI related job opportunities (that too
> >>> with utmost caution).
> >>>
> >>> Moderator, can you please block these irrelevant messages/senders?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and regards,
> >>> Praveen
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> From: agathon [mailto:hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>> Sent: Thu 7/5/2007 7:38 AM
> >>> To: Praveen Srikantaiah (WT01 - TES-Transport Infrastructure)
> >>> Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Job Opening at Wipro Technologies
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is interesting. Let's assume this job posting is real.
> >>>
> >>> After years of displacing U.S. citizens via fraudulent use of H-1B
> _and_
> >>> L-1 visas, Wipro has the cajones to post, right in our face, an
> >>> offer of employment in India. No quantity of rupees could compensate.
> >>>
> >>> Now, some obvious questions arise.
> >>>
> >>> What U.S. citizen are they expecting to hire? If they don't expect
> to,
> >>> as anyone can subscribe to the si-list, then what non-U.S. citizen
> from
> >>> what country would want such a job location? No, the U.S. - as we
> >>> know - is a declining place, so suddenly not producing enough
> engineers
> >>> and other professionals, it's like the bubonic plague by God, for
> which
> >>> India and China had to come to the rescue. But, I don't think your
> >>> typical U.S. citizen engineer would take very well to the corruption
> >>> over there and stark class society.
> >>>
> >>> So, why is Wipro having an issue filling the job with the 'superior'
> >>> non-U.S. citizen worker?
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm... possibly is the targeted candidate Indian? Might they be in
> >>> the U.S.? Are there no direct means within India to find such a
> person?
> >>> Evidently not. And evidently a shortage exists within Wipro and
> >>> wherever their tentacles reach. Wait, I thought - as the Indian (and
> >>> U.S., unfortunately) press trumpet - the Indian engineer is so much
> >>> better and they produce masses of them? What's the problem finding an
> >>> Indian engineer who also knows a little physics? Gee whiz. So sad.
> >>>
> >>> I've just heard (BBC I think) that U.S. companies are closing Indian
> >>> operations. And, the Indian edge is decreasing due to costs. So,
> don't
> >>> offer the weak crap that it's demand that's causing the Wipro posting.
> >>> Intel is going to Vietnam, instead. Yep, the race to the
> bottom. Even
> >>> the Indians might actually catch a clue sometime
> soon. Americans? No;
> >>> too deep in sleep. I have NEVER met an H-1B/L-1 who could contribute
> to
> >>> any SI effort and, at Intel on one occasion, only contributed to
> >>> negative productivity.
> >>>
> >>> More likely, Wipro and the like are starting to retrench and build the
> >>> home base. Especially since the H-1B cap wasn't raised. The rampant
> >>> fraud in India has drained off alot of the H-1B slots, leaving Wipro
> >>> high and dry. Well, waddya know, the law of supply and demand does
> >>> exist. Just not in the usual way. Yee ha!!
> >>>
> >>> "Fraudsters walk away with H1B visas!"
> >>> http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=2421&tstart=0
> >>> "Glen Keiser, Consular Section Chief, US Consulate, Mumbai said, "We
> >>> have found to our regret that Hyderabad and Bangalore are centres of
> H1B
> >>> visa fraud and that it is not difficult to walk into an operation and
> >>> someone rather forthrightly tell you that they can produce anything to
> >>> appear to qualify for an H1B visa...". The link at the above link has
> >>> Indian tv video describing Wipro's Woes.
> >>>
> >>> The 5% of their GDP that is tech exports (incl. services) is not
> growing
> >>> as in the past and the nervousness doth rear its ugly head. Plus, the
> >>> only way to exploit the L-1 visa is to have personnel employed at a
> >>> "home base", ready for transfer to the U.S. - without any protections
> >>> for U.S. citizens whatsoever (not even any H-1B fig leaf protection).
> >>>
> >>> So, this is a rich thought... Like my mom always said, "the truth
> will
> >>> out". And it cometh right quick. So I say India should legislate a
> >>> US-1 visa whereby we foreigners may be imported to save the ship. At
> an
> >>> appropriate premium, of course. But, that might have to wait until
> >>> AFTER our Congress has devolved us further, maybe into 3rd World
> status.
> >>>
> >>> Obviously, since India is apparently incapable of producing someone
> >>> skilled enough, Wipro is counting on past H-1B exploitation of Indians
> &
> >>> Americans having produced someone who can do this work from their U.S.
> >>> experience _and_ who now wants to work in Bangalore, ready to continue
> >>> taking work from U.S. citizens, or others, in their own country.
> That
> >>> takes balls. And a U.S. Congress bought and paid for.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6/29/07, praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx <
> praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Wipro Technologies' SI group is looking for an SI engineer with around
> >>> 10 years of experience. The job is based out of Bangalore, India.
> Below
> >>> is the job description. If interested email me.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Praveen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Roles & Responsibilities
> >>> PCB stack-up definition, PCB material selection, and layer assignment
> as
> >>> per Signal Integrity / Cross talk requirements.
> >>> Do pre-layout and post-layout signal Integrity analysis for various
> >>> boards.
> >>> Review analysis results and all checks as per guidelines needed by
> Wipro
> >>> and client specifications.
> >>> Review Signal quality measurement results and tune models/ methodology
> >>> accordingly.
> >>> Develop/Enhance/Update methodology based on advancements in Signal
> >>> Integrity / Design complexity. Designs will be in various domains like
> >>> Telecom, Computing, Embedded, Automotive, Consumer Electronics etc.
> >>> Skills, Job Requirements
> >>>
> >>> Hands on experience in execution of high speed signal integrity
> analysis
> >>> and cross talk analysis on High frequency boards involving different
> >>> types of models - IBIS, Spice, SLM/MLM/ICM.
> >>>
> >>> Detailed experience with multiple tools like Spectraquest, Hyperlynx,
> >>> Hspice, ICX etc. required.
> >>> Experience in doing IBIS model validation, Signal Integrity Analysis
> of
> >>> PCI express, XAUI or similar interfaces is a must.
> >>> Experience in doing multi board simulations is an added advantage.
> >>> Must have experience in High Speed/ Gigabit speed Signal Quality
> >>> measurements.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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