Dear Robert and Hal, Thank you both for your kind words. Metastability is a cool subject. When I talk about metastability I use both a physical model and an electrical circuit. The idea for the physical model (a ball sitting atop a potential hill) came from discussions with Mr. Wakerly (a good source for lots of nice ideas). The concept as he explained it to me was a thought experiment. I just turned it into a real, physical demonstration. The idea for the electrical circuit came from my mentor, Dr. Martin Graham. The schematic for this circuit appears on page 121 of "High-Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic". The feedback circuit that renders my circuit sufficiently stable for real-time demonstration is shown in the schematic, but not explained until the bottom of page 127. A 35-min video of my complete metastability demonstration (physical and electrical) is available through http://www.sigcon.com/films.htm Best regards, Dr. Howard Johnson, Signal Consulting Inc., tel +1 509-997-0505, howie03@xxxxxxxxxx http:\\sigcon.com -- High-Speed Digital Design seminars, publications and films -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Haller, Robert Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:20 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: hmurray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ray Anderson Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: METASTABILITY Since nobody else has mentioned it, Dr. Howie Johnson at one time performed a Metastability lab demo in his class that was pretty cool. It helped send home the importance of setup and hold requirements. Regards, Bob=20 Robert Haller Enterasys Networks Core Routing - Hardware Phone: 978-684-1340=20 FAX: 978-684-1499 -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:44 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: hmurray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: METASTABILITY=20 > a good point : a quick look for "metastability" in the index of my > half-dozen SI books didn't get many hits.=20 ~15 years ago, when I was browsing for general digital logic books, I used=20 Metastability as my test case. When I saw a book that looked interesting, I=20 would open it to the index and look for Metastability. (This was long before=20 Amazon, so you could find books in bookstores where you could touch them.) This was an amazingly quick way to evaluate a book. First, you got to check=20 the index which I consider to be important. If I didn't find anything then I=20 was suspicious. If I did, then I would go check out that section. I think I=20 understand Metastability so it doesn't take long to find out if the author=20 says something sensible. Two books in my collection have good sections on Metastability: High-Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic Howard Johnson and Martin Graham Digital Design: Principles and Practices John F. Wakerly My opinions: Anybody interested in SI should have a copy of "Black Magic". I like the=20 style. Every time I open it to look up something I get suckered in just rereading a section I've already read many times. Wakerly is now up to the 4th edition (2005). Mine is a couple back. I still=20 learn something every time I open it. I wish I had a copy many many years=20 ago. Both are a bit old, mostly using MSI (DIPs) as examples. But the ideas=20 haven't changed. I may be biased since I did a lot of work with MSI and I=20 can easily relate to their examples. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu