Dear All: Two clarifications regarding my earlier post: 1. With Tco_data and Tco_strobe defined at "Pad" (rather than "pin"), then Tflt_data and Tflt_strobe need to be also considered from the pads (in order to account for package delay in addition to PCB trace propagation time). Sometimes "flight time" is defined as: " Flight time is the time difference between a signal crossing a reference voltage ( Vref) at output pin of driver ( were it driving a test load ) and the signal intersecting Vref at input pin of receiver". In that case (e.g. Flight time measured with respect to the pins) then Tco timing should be consistently specified at the driver pin output (to include package effect). 2. References 2 and 3 are available at the ANSI/EIA-656-A Homepage. Best Regards, Abe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abe Riazi" <ARIAZI@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: [SI-LIST] Common Clock and Source Synchronous Timing Margins > Dear Scholars: > > The need for "common-clock" and "source synchronous" timing analyses, > arises regularly in pre-route and post-route simulations of high speed PCBs. > > In a "common-clock" approach, with bus driver and receiver sharing > the same clock, the setup and hold timing margins are often governed by: > > Tsetup_margin = Tcycle - Tpcb_skew - Tclock_skew - Tjitter - Tco_data > - Tflt_data - Tsetup > > Thold_margin = Tco_data + Tflt_data + Tclock_skew + Tpcb_skew - Thold > > Common clock timing techniques are limited to medium speed (e.g. frequencies > below ~ 200 or 300 MHz) buses [Reference 1]; therefore, at higher > frequencies another means such as source synchronous signaling can be required. > > In the source synchronous scheme the same driver chip is used to send the > data and strobe signals to the receiver, with strobe signal usually transmitted a > short time after transmission of data bits. Applicable formulas include: > > Tsetup_margin = (Tco_strobe - Tco_data) + (Tflt_strobe - Tflt_data ) + Tdelay - Tsetup > > Thold_margin = (Tco_data - Tco_strobe ) + (Tflt_data - Tft_strobe) + Tdelay - Thold > > In above equations Tcycle represents cycle time (clock period) and, > > Tpcb_skew = PCB flight time skew ( for clock traces). > Tco_data = Driver's data output valid delay (at pad). > Tclock_skew = The output clock buffer skew. > Tjitter = Cycle to cycle variations of clock period. > Tflt_data = Data PCB trace (from driver to receiver) propagation delay. > Tdelay = Offset between data and strobe. > Tco_strobe = Driver delay of the strobe (at pad). > Tflt_strobe = Flight time of strobe interconnect. > Tsetup = Receiver's input set up requirement (at pad). > Thold = Receiver's hold time requirement (at pad). > > Certain parameters (such as Tco ) are usually obtainable from data sheets, > whereas determining the data and strobe flight times (e.g. Tflt_data and Tflt_strobe) > requires simulation. > > System flight time corrections are frequently necessary to avoid double counting of > driver rise and fall times and to compensate for system loading effects. This > implies subtracting the rising/falling delays of the buffer driving into the standard > test load [ References 2 and 3] from the PCB driver to receiver propagation delay. > However, this correction may be also accounted for by the simulation program. > For example, XNS has an enable option for automatic subtraction of driver's > TIME_TO_VM before reporting the rise and fall times. > > The Excel program is quite popular for processing and presenting timing > simulation results. A timing spreadsheet can include a listing of simulated > buses (nets), driver and receiver nodes, flight times and setup and > hold margins, etc. > > In order for the data to be timely latched in, it is essential > to avoid violating the receiver's setup and hold requirements. If > a net indicates negative setup (or hold) margins, then it is necessary > to ascertain the cause of timing violation (this often involves careful > examination of associated waveforms) and ways of eliminating > the problem. > > Although, there are usually more than one approach for fixing > system timing problems, setup margin failures are frequently repaired > by shortening the driver to receiver data trace. Similarly, negative > hold margins are often eliminated by lengthening the data line. > > As signal frequencies/edge rates get faster, effects due to non-ideal > return paths, SSO, ISI, noise, etc. can significantly increase skew > and complicate utilization of source synchronous technique. > Several alternative ways of bus signaling aimed at minimizing > skew effect are discussed in Reference 1. > > In closing, the common clock and source synchronous formulas > provide a means for monitoring those timing elements critical > to system performance, maximum allowable speed, and setup/hold > budgets. Timing spreadsheets in conjunction with waveform > analyses are commonly applied to identify the causes of failed > setup/hold margins and means of eliminating these violations. > > REFERENCES: > > 1. Stephen H. Hall, Garrett W. Hall, James A. McCall, "High Speed Digital Design > A Handbook of Interconnect and Design Practices", John Wiley & Sons, Inc. > 2. Todd Westerhoff, "Basic SI and Timing Budgets for common Clock Designs", > Cadence Design systems, Inc. > 3. Syed B. Huq, "Effective Signal Integrity Using IBIS Models", DesingConn 2000. > > I appreciate your valuable comments. > > Respectfully, > > Abe Riazi > ServerWorks > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu