Withholding is not mean spirited. If the judge truly believes the dog is not worthy of being shown, he or she should withhold the ribbon...at ANY level including Best of Breed. What difference does it make that some other judge gave it a major or any points at all...maybe THAT was the dope, not the one doing the withholding. I agree that the judge should have a quiet word with the owner or handler about why the ribbon is being withheld...if nothing else, to say "don't waste your money." Quite a few years ago I withheld on an Old English Sheepdog bitch. I told the owner/handler the bitch was a good year away from being competitive. The next day the bitch went WB and the woman came to tell me. That bitch sat with her two points for the next year plus...even when she was out with a top handler. She didn't even get a single Reserve! At a show exactly two years and 11 months from the day I'd withheld, I put a class OES bitch with a handler to Best of Breed over specials (which finished her)...and later placed her in the group. The handler said to me, "look over there at the owner." There stood the same woman I'd withheld from, in tears. She came to the picture taking and we had a nice chat...seems that after showing the bitch for about 18 months with nothing to show for it, she asked the breeder why the bitch wasn't winning...and the breeder asked her who the judges had been, etc. She told her, and then she told her what I'd told her at the bitch's first show...and the breeder said "you should have listened." It was a great day...I got to finish the bitch I'd withheld from nearly 3 years before, and made a new friend. It was gratifying to all of us, because the bitch really turned out to be beautiful.. The owner died a few months later. It sounds like a fantasy tale, but it isn't...it really happened. But I digress. The answer is that sometimes withholding is a kindness, not mean at all. Peggy Cinosam GSD wrote: >IMO withholding a ribbon is mean spirited particularly when there is only one >dog in the class. If the judge wants to make a statement, I'd rather see >him/her say something directly to the person about the quality of the dog >rather than make a public spectical of the individual and their dog in front >of everyone. > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================