IMO withholding a ribbon is mean spirited particularly when there is only one dog in the class. If the judge wants to make a statement, I'd rather see him/her say something directly to the person about the quality of the dog rather than make a public spectical of the individual and their dog in front of everyone. Now, withholding points is another story. I have no problem with judges doing this because they are protecting the integrity of the breed. Having said all this I've had a judge withhold a blue from me....not for the quality of the dog (he was just coming off a major win at 6 months of age), but for my inept handling abilities. Here was me all cocky and sure that I was going for another major...but my bad puppy was in no mood to cooperate that day...and proceeded to drag me all over the ring....much to the annoyance of the judge. I'm sure I was the source of a great deal of amusement for all of those watching....fortunately I was able to laugh at myself too....though I did put a handler on the dog the next time out. So I guess it did teach me something. Cindy Carolyn Mckenna <kennadale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Lee's point was a good one concerning withholding the blue. There is another: it can send a message that the animal is not show quality. In this instance it is not intended to offend, but can be quite positive. Years ago I saw Ginny McCoy withhold 1st on a single entry class. the owner had been showing the dog in puppy, then novice at many shows, not realizing that the dog was far from quality. After that day that the blue was withheld, she acquired a good dog and became quite successful. So, you see, sometimes with- holding can be an act of kindness. Carolyn Carolyn McKenna 361-293-5389 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================