Giving a secon or third in a class of maybe four is better. It lets you know your dog isnt that good but on the up side that yours is better than the ones in back of you. ************************************************** It is also better than having a class of 4 or 5 to come in Winners and the judges stands in the middle of the ring and states I am withhelding points today due to lack of merit. I have seen this done. Now this I think embarasses a whole group of people. I would rather withhold the blue and explain to the handler why I did this. Lee Brown ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================