There is a big difference. You mentioned judges fees AND expenses in the same sentence. Almost all of the "fairgrounds" in WA and OR have now become Expo Centers. We used to show in cattle barns, livestock pavilions, etc. Now we have brand new Expo Centers with airconditioning....and all the expense that goes with it. We have run out of "cheap places" for shows....and our weather is not quite as good as California. The Rose City Cluster, in January, is almost a week long...4 AB shows and 2 days of Stand Alone Specialties. Add in the Performance venue, and we use all 5 Halls of the Portland Expo Center. There are more than 20 conformation rings and I don't know how many performance rings...plus two halls for grooming. Our judges Group gets one conference hall for 3 days of seminars and AKC gets a conference room for their Introduction to Judging seminar. All food is catered by the Expo Center...their rules. So, when you mention that someone's club has spent $25,000, you need to be more detailed about what it was spent for. How many judges? What kind of accommodations? Transportation? Food? It does not all go into the judges pockets. -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds -bedkar@xxxxx -Visit our Website: www.bedkargsd.com > From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 07:44:18 -0400 > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: was (no subject) - AKC judging fees > To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx; bedkar@xxxxx > CC: windwalkergsds@xxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx > > Lol, maybe things are different where you are Lee but my numbers are right > on. Didn't you see what Cathy posted about her AB club spending $25K for > judges fees and expenses one year? In fact ask Dean Wylie about Hatboro. > > Then we get to the big performance trials...just because YOU haven't > experienced it doesn't make it untrue. > > Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC > Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions > visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) > > > In a message dated 5/13/2010 11:52:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: > > I am not sure where she is getting her figures. I am show Chairman for my > AB club (apx 15 years now) and treasurer for 25 years I have never written a > check to a judge for 2000.00 for 2 days of judging. She must be living in > lala land. In fact never written a check to any of judge for anything close > to $200O.00 for two days. > > Lee ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================