Tom, I think there is more to this than an incapable judge putting a dog up with a problem. I think a part of this problem is the "prominent" handler who gets away with it, and probably expects and knows that he/she can get away with things under some judges.Both the judge and the handler are at fault. Ethics should stand for something, and the handler should refuse such dogs. In my opinion they are both doing a dis-service to the breed. Beryl Eshom Arelee GSD Davis, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <TCYPRESS@xxxxxxx> To: <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:51 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] UPCOMING JUDGE > I DONT USUALLY SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT A JUDGE UNLESS THEY ARE BLATANTLY BAD.I > MENTIONED TO THE LIST ON THE FLA CIRCUIT A JUDGE GIVING A CLASS TO A YOUNG DOG > AFTER SPOOKING 4X AND THEN GIVING IT THE POINTS.YOU PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OUR > STANDARD AND THE ILLUSTRATION HERE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY IT MEANS NOTHING TO > THESE PEOPLE WHO KEEP PUTTING UP A POPULAR HANDLERS DOGS AND INSULTING US AT THE > SAME TIME.AFTER THAT DAYS SPECTACLE THE SPECTATORS THAT WERE THERE DIDNT > RETURN THE REST OF THE WEEK OUT OF DISGUST. > THIS PERSON IS MS.L. ROBEY WHO IS JUDGING CENT. MASS GSDC.I CANT BELIEVE THIS > IS HAPPENING.WHAT ARE PEOPLE THINKING OR ARE THEY?IM NOT TRYING TO HURT > ANYONE HERE BUT IVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP.THESE PLEASANT CIRCUITS HAVE BEEN > RUINED FROM FLA TO THE VERMONT CIRRCUIT IT HAS BEEN A SHAM.AND YOU WONDER WHY THE > ENTRIES ARE SO BAD.YOU PEOPLE ARE BICKERING CONSTANTLY OVER EVERYTHING ON THIS > LIST BUT LET THE IMPORTANT FACTS AND INFO. GET BY.WHATS NEXT?? I CANT WAIT > FOR THE IDIOTS WHO DO THIS OUTDO THEMSELVES. > TOM > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================