[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shoulders and shoulder layback in puppies
- From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Nancy Harper" <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Doris Estabrook" <irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:33:54 -0800
Nancy Harper's answer impressed me the most because she is speaking to the
OVERALL look
of a new puppy......not just shoulder layback. Actually shoulder angulation
is one of the easiest
parts to 'feel' or 'see' on a new puppy IMO. But...perfect shoulder amgles
will do you no good
without correct coupling, good backs, good croups, rear angles that produce
powerful thrust to
drive the dog forward to utilize that perfect front.
It's the OVERALL look that we look for in the new puppies beginning with
perfect coupling, nice
shoulder assembly, curves, length of neck, ( as Jamie mentioned also )
ribbing, etc.
THAT puppy will have that "distinct look" as Nancy says as everything is a
perfect picture. The
truth comes out later if It can be seen in the ring when the dog moves at any
speed. If the front
doesn't match the drive off the rear with a beautiful "bridge" of a back in
between and a gait
that appears to look like a "well oiled machine" .......... it is all for
naught anyway. <G>
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Harper To: irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx ;
Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re:
Shoulders and shoulder layback in puppies
I also believe in that - as Jamie pointed out when they are "wet" the skin
looks like a thin cover over
the skeleton. It is interesting in our line that our better ones usually
have a distinct "look" which I
can onlydescribe as "" , it was Canadian Select Am Ch O'Danny Boy ROM, A
lot of luck I know but
there "something" about those that stand out to me. Nancy
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>>Just a fun question ->>
>>How many in GSD "think" they can tell shoulders on a newborn pup?
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>>Jess, I like to "think" I can pick my shoulders when they are wet-born.
>>They lie there wet
and flaccid, the little skeletons outlined for you to see >>length of bones
and how they
correspond, etc. I'm always glad to see a new-born >>with (what appears to
be) an
exaggerated length of neck because they will>>usually have a good neck and
layback.
Just my observation....but then,I'm>>"nutty" too. <VBG>>>>>> Jamie
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>*My dad was a long-time breeder. He always said the time to look was
immediately. In other words,"read'em wet". I have found this to be mostly
helpful through the years. Mostly, because nothing is absolute. There have
been times this does not apply, but most of the time it does. Of course it
is helpful to have knowledge of your bloodlines, both sides. He always
looked for a long neck. Doris E*
>
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