I agree with Jamie, and with Doris and her dad. If you know your lines and chosen your stud dog well, you should be able to pick 'em wet. Long necks, for sure. Picking them up and letting the legs fall naturally shows something, too...and that has to be done while they're wet, because as soon as they dry off, the "wiggle factor" comes into it...and that letting the legs hang won't work. Barring something completely out of your control, it should work. For instance, there is always the Jesus factor, ...you know, just when you think you've finally got it exactly right, God will make a change...and there's nothing you can do about that. For myself, there's a bit of a "gut feeling" about it all...I find that when you think about it too long, you go wrong........ Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris E" <irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx> Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx wrote: >>> >>>Jess, I like to "think" I can pick my shoulders when they are wet-born. >>>They lie there wet and flaccid, the little skeletons outlined for you to >>>see >>>length of bones and how they correspond, etc. I'm always glad to see a >>>new-born >>>with (what appears to be) an exaggerated length of neck because they will >>>usually have a good neck and layback. Just my observation....but then, >>>I'm >>>"nutty" too. <VBG> and Doris E, irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >> >>*My dad was a long-time breeder. He always said the time to look was >>immediately. In other words,"read'em wet". I have found this to be mostly >>helpful through the years. Mostly, because nothing is absolute. There have >>been times this does not apply, but most of the time it does. Of course it >>is helpful to have knowledge of your bloodlines, both sides. He always >>looked for a long neck. Doris E* ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================