[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [ SHOWGSD-L (no subject)
- From: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
- To: rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:14:34 -0500
Ruth,
Thank you for your opinion on things.
I agree about the SV stuff and i feel the same way. But, tell it to the USA
clubs!!
I will have to disagree a little about the working dog class I do think it
might work and be able to be a full class. But, you are probably right.....
Sara
On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Ruth Scheubler wrote:
> Sara -
> If you are having issues with a USA club not allowing a GSDCA member to
> participate, then you have a USA issue. There has been a USA/GSDCA problem
> for a long time but it has little to do with dogs and a lot to do with power.
> The tired stereotypes of what the different styles are have little to do with
> reality. Stereotypes are used as shortcuts to avoid having to think. A good
> dog is a good dog. Educate yourself so you know what a correct dog is. Do not
> just take any one person/group's opinion as gospel.
> Correct is all about BALANCE. Balance in structure. Balance in
> temperament. Balance in how the dog is educated. A correct dog can be
> quite angulated if it is balanced angulation combined with good
> ligamentation and strong muscles. The problems are usually because the dog is
> out of balance. I remember the SV trial judge giving a SchH seminar who
> wanted to buy a young bitch that he could not believe was an AKC bred. She
> grew up to be Best in Show Ch Fairway's TeeTime Bodega.
>
> I do not have problems taking my AKC dogs to the local USA club. If the club
> is truly devoted to training and education they will encourage everyone to
> participate as training makes for better dogs. And this is supposed to be
> ABOUT THE DOGS.
>
> There is no more type divergence in GSDs than in any other breed that used to
> have jobs. Will it help to have the GSDCA have a herding / working title
> class? Nope. No more than for the SV siegershow to have a HGH class that very
> few people participate in and where awards are limited to V rather than being
> eligible for VA. All it would be is another class that is ignored. I am
> saying this as someone with a HXCs dog lying at my feet.
> Ruth
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
> To: Diane <texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "barbara17236@xxxxxxx" <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>; "Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:59 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [ SHOWGSD-L (no subject)
>
> Sounds good to me but since the GSD is a herding dog I think those dogs
> should be profiled a little bit more.
>
> Maybe have a Herding Class for the Working Herding dog with advanced Herding
> titles and a Sport class for the working Sport dog (ScH or advanced AKC
> titles)??
>
> It would actually be cool to see if we could generate interest. I am trying
> to do both AKC and ScH with my dog and it is a battle!! It seems that the
> ScH people and the AKC Showring people are on opposite continents (except
> Helen Gleason)! I couldn't even find a club to train with as the USA clubs
> (largest ScH organization in America) is so horrified at what the GSDCA
> members have done to the GSD that they will not let anyone be a member of USA
> if they are GSDCA members. So, practically every club in my area is USA
> which leaves me out to dry.
>
> So, I have to find either a DVG club and come in through the back door or a
> WDA club. The WDA clubs in my region have either left WDA or are in
> turmoil/controversy. But, I still have one lifeline left with a local DVG
> club. They said they weren't accepting new members but I might be able to get
> my foot in the door.
>
> Anyway, sorry to digress again.
>
> Thus, my point was supposed to be that having that class might bring us all
> together again??
>
> We may just have to have one working dog class and mix everyone like you
> suggested as not sure enough dogs would come. Probably only dogs showing in
> performance at Nationals which would leave out the HGH dogs and the ScH dogs.
> Hmmm.
>
> Sara
>
> Sara
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Diane wrote:
>
>> The original suggestion was to have the class open for all dogs with
>> advanced AKC and Schutzhund titles.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe we could have a Herding Dog class for dogs with advanced herding
>>> titles (like at least a HI and up to HX and HGH)?
>>>
>>> I actually wrote a letter to the Review pitching a similar class but it was
>>> for amateur owners and no double handling allowed and the dog to be shown
>>> in a more natural stack.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sara
>>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:38 AM, barbara17236@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Labradors actually have a Hunting Dog class at their specialty shows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Barb Hively - PA
>>>> DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diane <texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:23 am
>>>> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L (no subject)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Barb, the example you gave about the difference in types between UKC and
>>>> AKC has
>>>> ore to do with a divergence in type between working dogs and conformation
>>>> dogs.
>>>> n a lot of the sporting breeds, the field dogs almost look like a
>>>> different
>>>> reed from their conformation counterparts. That's why it was suggested
>>>> that we
>>>> ave a working dog class at our National, to emphasize that correct
>>>> conformation
>>>> akes it a lot easier for the working dog to perform its task. The person
>>>> making
>>>> hat suggestion got their head handed to them. @Sara - breeders have made
>>>> tructural changes in the GSD. If you look at dogs from the 1960's and
>>>> today's
>>>> ogs you can see that. As far as I can tell, there has been no
>>>> corresponding
>>>> hange to the standard, so I don't know how breeders justified the
>>>> structural
>>>> hanges. I guess the same standard that applied to the earlier dogs applies
>>>> now
>>>> o today's dogs. But I know the earlier dogs would not win in today's
>>>> onformation ring. Sara, if you are physically abl
>>>> e to show your own dog, learn as much as you can by watching the pro
>>>> handlers.
>>>> he style of showing is different between the all breed and speciality
>>>> rings.
>>>> how your dog and have fun.
>>>> Diane
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