In a message dated 11/8/2005 8:23:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Mind you, I am well aware that the crowd is not running the show..the judge is..and ultimately it is his choice so don't think I am implying that the judge should listen to the crowd for his choices!.>> You are correct Christine, I had to wait it out at home...not fun, well a little fun ,lol The judges have to make the decision, I would have them take awhile , even if it meant in your words "redundancy" than to give the impression of glibness, and "lets just get on with who I planned to pick from the get go". As an exhibitor, and conditioner for others, I can assure you, I don't like to waste time, but when it comes to this class, Specials, I would prefer to have felt that "we got to play" regardless of the outcome. Particularly in a National setting. People spend a long time and a lot of money to have their dogs seen there. Ken WAS showing in there, and I asked him about the length of time, because at home or in the stands it is a different story than being IN THE RING. He felt very strongly that the judging procedure, and time was quite good because of the depth of quality to be filtered and processed. So if it takes a while to do the MOST IMPORTANT CLASS OF THE SHOW, then so be it. I would rather, then the microwave style of judging we have seen lately...60 seconds and DONE. Take care Kathy WEBSITE UPDATED: NOV 6, 2005 _http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/) VICTORY GSDs, There Is Something In A Name ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================