In a message dated 12/15/2005 7:43:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, Falkrigia writes: Let's also extend this to the numerous Specialty Judges that don't seem to know what a GSD is supposed to be. If you are willing to do that then we may solve the problem of unqualified judges in both rings. Gene I agree but who do we get to say who is qualified and who is not. The person picked to do the picking may be one you think is not qualified. We are back to square one The only thing we have to go on is who met the qualifications in the first place you know 10 years so many litters 4 champions. This is NOT fullproof but it's the best we got. Unless you can think of another way. Fred ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================