Years ago when Mary Roberts was active most(I said most not all)of her major wins were from class to winners to BOB to Grp1 and then to BIS. I know she put an ROM on a bitch. Over the years she owned/handled Val Koa's Roon, Sregor's MC and of course CTH Finnegan I believe all three were finished via my stairstep method. Bob Neiman I've only had one male GSD take a Group One > and get a major.. -- Bob Neiman -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Kay Reamensnyder" <bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================