[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Amateur Classes....?? NOT
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tanksr@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:41:06 -0800
I wholeheartedly agree with Ken on this....and in the process I
also learned a great 'new phrase' that accurately describes the
difference this will all make in actual entries. <G>
All this 'extra' compensation does is take up the time of those
that support the Futurities year after year after year and the
Clubs that struggle to host them along with their shows.
I also agree that the Futurities began to fail when big money became
the way to win because the ultimate goal was Futurity VICTOR/ VX and
Maturity VICTOR/ VX at the National and a free cover on the Review.
I don't disagree with the titles or the free cover...but it DID
start the stampede to win it all...and started the process of huge
handling fees to show a "hopeful" ....and thus...
the beginning of the failure of the Futurities.
Many look at their budget...and just figure they can finish one or two
dogs for the cost of a Futurity. It's not the Futurity's themselves,
but the COST that some are willing to pay...and some simply cannot.
But for those of us that do give a ( here it comes ) 'piddly damn'
there is nothing we can do to Legislate Honesty...or Handling Fees
and our Futurity system ( AND Breeders and Exhibitors ) pays the price.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
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On Behalf Of Ken Tank
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Carolyn Martello
Cc: Joannie; Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx; showgsd gsd
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Amateur Classes....?? NOT
You know, I understand the idea behind this is to increase entries and
interest in the Futurities. But I don't think this is going to make a
piddly damn bit of difference. If our judges are judging handlers then we
need to pick better judges that judge dogs. That... will increase entries.
The Futurities were big when they weren't as important. Once they became so
important (ranking stud dogs based on Futurities and exhibiting those dogs
at the National), then handlers started charging more and people started
flying all over the country with every littermate instead of staying home
and showing them all in the local Futurity. And no, I don't think the
answer is to make people show in their local Futurity, that's too
complicated and can be unfair to someone who buys a dog from out of the
area, and other scenarios.
We also need to publish in the Review the Top 10 AKC point winning
producers, and invite THOSE dogs to the National, after all, that's the
goal isn't it? Our breeding programs are evaluated by the Champions not
Futurity winners (some of which don't ever finish their Championships). And
please don't tell me that these dogs are in the Red Book. That's nice but
it's not the Review and the National.
And while we're at it let's make it mandatory that every breeding a dog or
bitch has be public in order to compete for top 10. We should be able to
look up a stud dog and see every bitch that he has bred. We should be able
to know if those 5 Champions he sired came from one litter or ten.
I know many have been saying this for years. But it still never happens and
we just try to put band aids on a gaping wound.
JMHO,
Ken
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Carolyn Martello
<marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> So this info below STILL makes it like it is "MORE" than an Amateur
> Class!?
> We don't give out Rosettes for a Bred By dog beating another Bred By dog?
> Why do these changes always have to have ....."special" compensation?
> We should just merely allow a class in the Futurity and the Maturity
> where someone is guaranteed to not compete with a professional handler.
> AND...
> IF that IS the REAL purpose....why would they be allowed to hire a
> professional
> handler in winners? Suddenly it becomes NOT an Amateur handled dog???
> Also....why is the Amateur Class broken down according to ages? Again
that
> makes it "MORE" than an Amateur Class.
> If you want to use AKC shows as an 'example'....we don't break our Bred
By,
> or American Bred, or Open or Novice classes into ages. They have their
> TITLE as AMERICAN BRED...etc. PERIOD. Amateur Class has it's "Title" as
> an
> AMATEUR CLASS .......PERIOD??
> IF they win...of course they can compete for the higher Awards such as
> BIF, BIM...the National...etc. By why all the extra "compensation"??
> Just because they entered a specific class??
>
> This is becoming like the Long Coat Classes at the National. Not good
> enough to just offer a Long Coat Class....
> Gotta have PUPPY LONG COAT CLASSES!!
> Why don't we have "Puppy" American Bred Classes at the National??
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.marhaven.com
>
>
> From Joannie......
> Subject: Re: IMO, KUDOS ~Amateur class for 2015
>
> Here's the overview of the Amateur classes as it was presented to the
Board
> at the January meeting:
>
> The Amateur as a separate event will be eliminated. INSTEAD, there will
be
> Amateur handled classes in the Regular futurity.
>
> The Amateur (handled) classes for each sex will be:
>
> Junior Futurity Amateur Handled for Junior & Teenage Futurity aged animals
> Senior Futurity Amateur Handled for Intermediate & Senior Futurity aged
> animals
> Junior Maturity Amateur Handled
> Senior Maturity Amateur Handled
> * Professionals (received compensation, rate card, etc.) cannot handle in
> the Amateur classes. An individual who trains and conditions dogs for
> others, may handle in the Amateur Classes if they are the breeder or in
the
> family of the breeder of record of the dog being shown.
> * Anyone can handle the entry in the winners class (same as BBE in point
> show).
> * After winners, a Regional Best Amateur competition (must be handled by
an
> amateur) will be held. Rosettes (no plaques) for Best & Best Opposite in
> each Amateur Futurity & Amateur Maturity. The winners will be entitled to
> show in the National Amateur finals.
> * Redbook points will be calculated for ALL classes.
>
>
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