[SAS] Re: Interesting documentary

  • From: henry h <hthodgman@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: sas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:26:44 -0800

So, why is this showing up in my inbox if you (N. Wiseman) are going to fill it?


On 12/30/14, Nicholas Wiseman <njtwiseman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> You make interesting points, but as I said before, I'm not going to fill up
> everyone's inbox who isn't interested in this discussion.  I don't want to
> reply to your no-reply email without knowing if it is your real email haha.
>
> -Nick
> P.S. I'm still not convinced I don't want to see it =)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Paul <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I have to disagree with Mr. Wiseman on whether "The Principle" is
>> controversial or not.  It isn't controversial at all.  You don't get to
>> claim something is controversial just because a bunch of folks with no
>> understanding of basic science insist something is wrong.
>>
>> This movie is on par with "Expelled:  No Intelligence Allowed."  Is there
>> controversy among astronomers regarding heliocentrism?  No.  The
>> heliocentric model is far less controversial than the acceptance among
>> climate scientists that increasing carbon dioxide is primarily
>> responsible
>> for global warming (97%).
>>
>> Galileo Galilei laid this matter to rest with his publication of
>> "Dialogue
>> Concerning the Two Chief World Systems," (which I can loan to anyone who
>> would like to read it--English version--not the original Italian) 382
>> years
>> ago.  To promote geocentrism over heliocentrism is to rescind Newton's
>> theory of gravity, which has served us all so well these past three
>> hundred
>> years.
>>
>>
>> Here is a Scientific American article on "the Axis of Evil" mentioned in
>> the YouTube video (radio program) to which Alan linked.  I find no
>> evidence
>> this axis is aligned towards our local group, much less us--if it were we
>> would have a lot more trouble seeing it just as we have trouble
>> discerning
>> the shape of the Milky Way because we are in it.  I confess I could not
>> sit
>> through the entire program.  Maybe he wasn't actually defending
>> geocentrism, and maybe there was some better point further along--strong
>> anthropic principle, anyone?
>>
>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/universal-alignment/
>>
>> I really liked the Slate take on this "controversy" written by the "bad
>> astronomy" guy Phil Plait.
>>
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html
>>
>> In other news we'll all be floating (again) come January 4th, the "zero
>> gravity" day (due to the alignment of Jupiter and the all-powerful
>> Pluto).
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/12/24/zero_g_day_nope.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sun, 12/28/14, Nicholas Wiseman <njtwiseman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: [SAS] Interesting documentary
>>  To: sas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  Date: Sunday, December 28, 2014, 3:16 PM
>>
>>  So a new cosmology
>>  documentary "The Principle" that's played in
>>  one theater in Chicago already has a smallish following here
>>  in Spokane/Post Falls.  I know of a number of people who
>>  are trying to bring it to AMC in Spokane on the 23rd of
>>  January (First potential showing).  Further details to
>>  follow if anyone shows interest.  http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/
>>  It is very controversial and I, personally, am
>>  very interested in seeing it myself.  I was wondering if
>>  anyone would like to "claim" a ticket.
>>  They're about $10 (give or take a bit) if enough
>>  tickets are sold.  Otherwise, no money will change
>>  hands.
>>  I thought I'd let the list know to see if
>>  anyone else would be interested.  The theater needs to see
>>  that 500 tickets have been sold in order for the movie to
>>  air.  I think close to 400 have been accounted
>>  for.
>>  The only thing I'm getting out of this is the
>>  ability to see the movie, I'm not trying to sell
>>  anything for personal gain, it's entirely non-profit and
>>  for the love of the science behind what we do as amateurs.
>>
>>  I'd also not like to get in a huge debate on
>>  the list about the content, if you want to talk about it I
>>  think we should keep them, should they follow, on a personal
>>  e-mail basis, I don't think that would be proper to talk
>>  about controversial science on a stargazing
>>  list.
>>  So let me know if your interested or want more
>>  information.  Again, I'd only like to see it and we
>>  need more tickets sold to be able to.  Check it out, let me
>>  know,  Also I hope I'm not overstepping the list here,
>>  if I am I'll be more than happy to not talk about it
>>  again
>>  -Thanks!Nick W.
>>
>>
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