The more dilute, the less fast it will and potentially less effective it will be it bringing the pH down from above 7 (basic) to below 7. It would be better to error on the side of too dilute since you can effectively stop a developer with adequate water. Advantage to NOT using an indicator is that there is no indicator to carrier over into your print. I have seen hypo clearing agent turn purple from residual indicator in the paper. Proof was stop using indicator and the hypo clean never got a purple color. Indicator goes from yellow to purple. The citric acid stop is also effective but thanks to ADM and other users of citric acid, the price goes up with food prices. Eric Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 www.ericneilsenphotography.com skype me with ejprinter www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1 Let's Talk Photography _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Koch Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 12:19 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Using diluted vinegar as stop bath To use as a stop bath it must be white or distilled vinegar. The brown form may stain. Check the label as it can be any percentage from 4% to 5% depending on the brand. Kodak SB-1 for papers is 2% acetic acid, for films the percentage can be 1%. So if you have the 4% version dilute it with an equal amount of water for 2%. Jerry _____ From: Bogdan <bkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 2:56:37 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Using diluted vinegar as stop bath Hello all, this was discussed a few years back, but do not remember the details. I have 3 gallons of kitchen vinegar and I remember it was mentioned that a dilution of vinegar could be used as a stop bath. Does anybody know what dilution of vinegar to water I should use? Are there any disadvantages to using diluted vinegar as opposed to the Indicator Stop made by the great yellow Father or Ilford's Stop bath? If I do use diluted vinegar, how can I tell when I should dump the bath? Cheers, Bogdan