[pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
- From: Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:31:43 -0800 (PST)
Yes I have to remember to setup the camera to do that auto bracket thingy.
Been
meaning to try that. Feels bloody cold today as 18mph wind @ 22° gets painful
quick!
I passed the photo page link onto my dad who's comment was that he didn't like
the lack of modeling or depth from the opened shadows or fill lighting. I
hadn't noticed that as I have looked at these kind of shots in a techy sort of
manner admiring in some respects the opened up areas that would have been in
deep shadow otherwise.
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From: Eric Neilsen Photo <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 6:57:14 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
I'll chime in here. I think the issue with expanding color is more the use of
color correctly in a realistic way for those images staying within the
realistic
realm. For those venturing out and into the surreal arena, one is fighting the
realistic eye/mind. If it's not surreal enough people tend to dismiss it.
I think we have all seen the HDR sky that has gone the too cyan glow to be
pleasing. I also think that dusk and sunrise do lend themselves to an HDR image
more easily. This in the sense that as we are standing there, we can see the
lights to darks.
Eric , there is auto bracketing so one click will give the entire bracket.
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
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From:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eric Nelson
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:08 PM
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
Good point Bob. The new toy syndrome. Never has it been easier to enhance
detail and create drama, often where it doesn't seem to fit than w/this HDR.
I've toyed with it a bit but not with much success. Shadows often look pretty
funky so far and w/our typical Chicago weather I'm not too motivated to head
out w/a tripod and a digital camera and have to fuss w/menus to do a bracket
while my hands freeze.
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From:BOB KISS <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 9:46:13 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
DEAR ERIC,
I agree with you that it is an issue of degree and more or less
subtle use of this new technique. In most of the HDR images I have seen it
appears to me that the practitioner was soooooooooooooo thrilled with the new
ability to hold tones throughout a wide dynamic range that they way over did
it. Even the images in the posted site seem, for the most part, over done.
The
eye and brain have recorded decades of visual information and have some sense
of
what is out there.
A while back I mentioned an image made by one of my students that
was the most amazingly subtle use of HDR. It was of a side canal in Venice
and
it truly captured the unique and beautiful feeling of light one sees in Venice
. Of course, if you look extremely carefully you can see some tonal
transitions
that are subtly strange but the over all scene is so close to life that it is,
in its own way, “not photographic” but it IS subtle and believable….and
beautiful.
Now, if surrealism is your intention, then go for it. If showing more of the
information that the eye can see but digital photography cannot (due mostly to
questions of dynamic range) then, I pray, that subtlety will eventually reign.
CHEERS!
BOB
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From:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eric Nelson
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:29 PM
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
I think it depends on the eye of the practitioner as some folks have definitely
gone over the top HDR-wise creating an almost hand colored postcard look to
things. Certainly clouds can get a weird look to them when worked on by a what
I would call a novice as they tend to add way too much drama that wasn't in the
original scene.
In re:to your question, I think it's a combination of what we're used to
seeing,
surprise at the range from our lowered expectations from digital up till
recently, and users getting a little heavy handed in their use of the method.
Your examples didn't seem too heavy handed for the most part. In B&W I'd be
bleaching and dodging and burning like crazy to achieve that range....or is it
just my negs? ;)
Eric
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From:Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 10:24:38 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
Monochrome film photographers routinely handle well over 16 stops of light.
Digital ... not so much. They resort to HDR techniques like this:
http://www.perfectphotoblog.com/high-dynamic-range-images-hdri-before-and-after-landscapes/1201/
I judge these to be quite beautiful but ... they don't look "real" to
me. To my eye they seem more "surreal".
So, here's the question: Is this a byproduct of the digital manipulation
process OR are we so used to seeing color without a lot of dynamic
range (even color film is pretty limited by comparison to B&W) that
when we see a full dynamic range color image it seems "fake".
Discuss amongst yourselves...
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