On 12/31/04 3:37 PM, "Ryuji Suzuki" <rs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > One thing that tends to be forgotten in toe-shoulder discussion is > midtone. Due to a fundamental principle of calculus of continuous > functions, films with vigorous highlight contrast results in darker > midtones if you try to print on the same paper with the same average > gradient and density range. Similarly, films with shoulder can render > midtones a little lighter. I think the question is whether you want to > burn/dodge highlights or midtones to get the final desired image. This > is hard to generalize, but in my shooting and printing style, I would > rather print midtone straight and manipulate highlights. Plus-X, > Neopan 400, 400TX and Delta 400 have gentle shoulder. One of the main reasons I don't use Xtol is that it tends to create greater density in the midtones in all the films I've tested, including straight line films like Tmax100. I'm looking for darker midtones and brighter highlights. As we go back and forth on this thread, I am in the darkroom souping 5 different films in Tmax developer. I used Anchell's times just as a starting point and all the film is too dense. I can however, see a difference in the highlight structure between Tmax 400 and TriX. Gotta go rinse! Bob Randall ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.