DEAR RICHARD, You are right in all you say...these films don't have much shelf life so no manufacturer will want to make anything that won't sell fast. Perhaps the idea is to see if we can discover a market and have a quantity made. ******I am not a member of the Large Format Forum. Might someone who IS a member ask if any of them agree that is would be great to have an 8X10 film in 3200 effective speed? I developed 120 Delta 3200 in PMK at 20:20:1000 as per Gordon's recommendations and got great results. I see no reason we couldn't do this with 4X5, 5X7, and 8X10. I would really appreciate it if someone would forward my e-mail to the LFF and post their replies. CHEERS! BOB ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.