Quoting Matthew Gaylen <mgaylen@xxxxxxx>: > In terms of art and Fine Art, I don't think black and white wet photography > has much hope of surviving in the mainstream too much longer. Unless you have been living in a village in an undeveloped country B&W has long been hardly "mainstream" but an aesthetic choice for the few. Most all of the billions of photographs processed in central Europe each year are colour. TVs are colour. Computer displays and even cellular phones are colour. > The print you get as a result of hours and hours of painstaking work in the > darkroom isn't generally perceived as valuable to mainstream consumers. We now need to divide up the mainstream consumers into market segments.. The mainstream, for instance, in many markets demands highly corrected and "beautiful" wedding portraits. Its either "painstaking" corrective work with knives, dyes and brushes or "painstaking" corrective work with digital models of knives, dyes, brushes in a war chest of image processing tools. The means to an end is not relevant to that market but the result is. In other areas of "commercial" photography the means is all that matters and not really the results. I call this the "fine art silver gelatine" market. Its not "mainstream" but given that there are galleries on some of the best addresses in most major urban financial centers in Europe and North America it can be hardly called "underground". > Look at classical music, despite the fact that it costs $75 to see the > Chicago Symphony and almost $50 to see the Champaign-Urbana Symphony their > concert seasons are short and the number of people who participate is very > small compared to the people who participate in pop music. Pop music events are hardly about music but about "events"-- and to be more acurate its spelled (following Reich) "s-e-x". The same divide between what it is and what it is about can often be said of the symphony or opera but for different segments of the population and, of course, for different "causes". Here in Munich (a city with around 1.3 million) we have quite a few symphonic orchestras, many theatres, operas (including a well visited opera festival each summer that is typically well sold out to deep pocket international "culture tourists" who tend to hit Munich alongside Salzburg and Bayreuth) and a wide assortment of cultural events. > There are 10-50 depending on market size, 10-50 pop music stations to ever > one classical music station on the radio. There are many television channels > devoted to pop music but none that I can think of devoted to classical music. > The most classical music you're going to get on TV is an occasional program > on PBS. Pop music is a large market but there is more than just pop music to be found when I turn the radio dial.. I don't know where you are living but the same could be said in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York.. Sure not everywhere in the United States and I recall driving about in parts of the country where I would have been more than happy to be able to hear ANY pop tune, the radio spectrum seemingly filled with either what seemed like country songs about Jesus, evangalists or radical right talk radio programs.. > If you devote your whole life to playing the violin and spend 20 years > playing for a major orchestra - say in Pittsburgh... the most you can hope > for is moderate wages while dufus guitar players with bizarre tattoos and no > music education are making 100s of millions of dollars. Its about entertainment and willingness to pay. Look at the 3 clowns tour (Carreras, Domingo and Pavarotti) a few years ago! Notice the marketing of Nigel Kennedy, Vanessa-Mae and Charlotte Church... And its nothing new.. I refer one to some of the earliest marketing of an infant recording industry.. Enrico Caruso.. I guess its always been about pop.. Just what pop is.. has changed over the years.. And some of the musicians, singers and conductors here--- while perhaps not quite up to the stellar levels of pop kings and queens-- have been paid quite well.. James Levine, for example, was hardly handed small change for his stint here conducting the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra.. > Ballet is even worse... despite the fact that it costs a fortune to attend > the ballet, almost nobody has the opportunity to attend, because they're Maybe "nobody" has the opportunity to attend since as you say "it costs a fortune to attend".. > never performing. You most dance you're gonna see is on the sidelines of the > football field and at half-time at basketball games. Here in Munich we, of course, have ballet and one of the world's leading ballet foundations (Heinz-Bosl Stiftung) is just around the corner from where I live. Its also quite common (not just here but throughout the world) for middle class parents to send their small children to ballet schools.. and to maybe get instruction in song (for example via youth choirs) and learn some instruments.. -- -- Edward C. Zimmermann, Basis Systeme netzwerk, Munich Office Leo (R&D): Leopoldstrasse 53-55, D-80802 Munich, Federal Republic of Germany Telephone: Voice:= +49 (89) 385-47074 Corp.Fax:= +49 (89) 692-8150 Nomadic (SMS/MMS/Fax):= +49 (176) 100-360-55 Alt.Mobile:= +49 (179) 205-0539 http://www.nonmonotonic.net ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.