Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists

unfortunately, the trouble is with something like this, it can be a good thing, 
but it can also wind up being a drag for the person in charge of it. we had a 
site, with lots of stuff on it, tutorials, how too's scripts for various IDE's 
on and on, but things got old and out dated, the persons running things got 
tired and it seemed wasn't getting as much help as they needed, and let it run 
down to a zero point and the name went back on the net as an purchasable 
option. . there was some effort to revamp and turn the sight into a wiki run 
item but that went by the wayside rather quickly. seems there  was not enough 
dedication to restore all that was torn down to make room for the new site. . 
(note some may disagree on part or a lot of the all of this, I wasn't in much 
on the actual site revamp attempts other than making a contribution in dollars 
to keep the site running, but I did pick up parts of what was going on both 
from public sources (here) and private ones (I knew the owner at that time)

and then someone must pay for either the server space (which can be done 
through contribution, but takes drive to get folks going) or a computer such as 
you offered, to run the site on, and what do you do if that computer breaks? 
which even the best unit will break eventually? 

Dennis brown ran things for years, and kept both the site and the list in full 
swing, then he retired from it, we saw him once in a while with questions but 
that was all, and then it all ran down to zero

now a real ... piece of work owns the old site name and as I stated prior to 
this, wants 3000 dollars for it! 

anyway, its going to take dedication and a lot of work to get a lot of this 
running, the wiki or weblog may run well once set up, I have no clue not having 
ever tried to start one working, but someone is going to need a lot of Patients 
 to get it going and up to speed I think. 

good luck,
elf
"do not mess in the affairs of dragons!
for you are crunchy, and go good with barbecue sauce!"
    - Draconous Cerulean 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Katherine Moss 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:51 AM
  Subject: RE: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists


  I suppose you're right.  And it doesn't matter.  I mean, if we're going to do 
a forum, then we might as well have a whole site so that we can extend our 
community for instance since this is a programming community, why not 
consolidate all of the things we do, the message board, the chatting and stuff 
into one place, have Jamal's stuff, our stuff, and anyone else's stuff on here 
that they think would be worthwhile to this community?  And then folks can 
download our demos and stuff?  That way there is only one consolidated resource 
for all of the blind programmers. Everybody could get their own page and stuff. 
 

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
  Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:22 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists

   

  >Because you have to type in Open source ASP.net forum.  It's on CodePlex.  
But if you prefer PHP fine. I'm sick of this war anyway.    
  Meh. I wasn't taking a jab at you. I looked and didn't see it, I figured it'd 
come up pretty quickly if I used asp.net, which I figured it was. Either way 
though, I don't care. Right now we're the only two talking about it, so unless 
we get interest in it, what forum we use is sort of irrelevant.

  On 9/2/2011 8:16 AM, Katherine Moss wrote: 

  Because you have to type in Open source ASP.net forum.  It's on CodePlex.  
But if you prefer PHP fine. I'm sick of this war anyway.  

    

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
  Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:09 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists 

    

  I'm not sure what com100 is. It's obviously a forum, but googling for it 
didn't bring up anything. I don't care, at this point who hosts it, but I 
really recommend something that's been widely used for a long time and is open 
source; phpbb fits that build. There are others out there that are popular too, 
but using an app on a front-facing site that no one has heard of (5 minutes of 
googling didn't bring up anything) is kind of a scary thought.

  On 9/2/2011 7:47 AM, Katherine Moss wrote: 

  I could do that, but my forum for my network will still be based on Comm100.  
If you ant to take it though, you can.  I really do not care.  It was just an 
offer.  

    

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
  Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:45 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists 

    

  why? Just host it with phpbb, problem solved. It's widely used, easy to use 
and incredibly easy to install. I'll host it if the need is there.
  On 9/2/2011 6:47 AM, Katherine Moss wrote: 

  I have a server at home.  It would be a while, but I could perhaps run an 
extra web site.  If we did a forum, you'd have to deal with the Comm100 Open 
source Forum though.  

    

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
  Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:59 PM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists 

    

  I agree, this is unsettling.

  I don't know if there'd be any desire for this, but does anyone else feel 
that the mailing list is sort of... well... 1999ish in its execution? We all 
want to be able to discuss a wide plethora of programming topics. But plenty of 
people don't want to wade through a high traffic list. There are more evolved 
community formats now, from Facebook groups and Google+ circles to full 
forum/wiki/community blog implementations that could be hosted on a dedicated 
server. It'd allow for people to filter the discussion they're interested in 
while not having to restrict topics people can discuss, as seems to be the 
Catch 22 Program-L is fighting with right now. I won't set it all up on my own. 
I don't care enough, straight and simple. But maybe if I'm not running the 
whole show by myself this is something that could be given some brainstorming? 
It won't work though unless it has at least the beginnings of a community 
willing to give it a go, and we seem pretty entrenched for some reason in the 
old EMail listserv.
  On 9/1/2011 4:22 PM, Michael Malver wrote: 

  If this is true, and java is off topic, then I am totally and completely 
against the merge. I'll be damned if I'm going to join a second e-mail list 
when the point of merging in the first place was to minimize the number of 
lists a person would have to subscribe to. 

  If this is true, I hope someone will create a third list where all things 
programming can be discussed freely. When that happens, hopefully everyone will 
join it. 

  Here's hoping the message to which I am replying is just someone thinking out 
loud and not actually policy. 

    

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
  Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:11 PM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Fwd: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists 

    

  This just came through, for those of you who aren't on the program-l list. I 
know it's past the due date for our input, but I have a couple of issues, both 
of which I voiced.
  First, I'm kind of lost as to why Java isn't aloud to be discussed because 
it's "specialized." Sure there's another list for that, but if we're going to 
have "specialized" lists, why are we merging in the first place?
  Does this mean that sodbeans discussion is out? I've kind of followed along 
with that, though I haven't played with it to much.
  Second, I'm still curious why this is so hush-hush. I guess I'm worried that 
we're going to get forced into a list that is not going to allow some of what 
we have here. Sure some of it can be cleaned up, and George is the one to do 
that; he's an adept moderator, but It almost sounds like the volume of messages 
is going to be strictly controled for some reason.


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        Subject: 
       [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists 
       
        Date: 
       Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:02:50 +0100 
       
        From: 
       George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
       
        Reply-To: 
       program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
       
        To: 
       <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
       

    

There's always a leak somewhere before things can be properly      announced, 
isn't there?  However, it won't happen until 1st October.             Yes 
indeed the two specialist lists are to merge.  Or rather, they      will be 
merged into ours.  It was either that, or the other list could      possibly be 
closed down.             I have no doubt that it will initially swell the 
number of daily      messages, but I'm hoping that with some appropriate 
moderation, things      will keep on topic.  If not, my steel ruler will be out 
rather      sharpish.             Needless to say JAVA will be considered 
off-topic as we have a list      for that (program-java), and if the need 
arises for other specialist      areas, I will have no hesitation in starting 
an appropriate list.             Sorry you all had to find out via the jungle 
drums, but please stick      with us.  This has been a very professional list 
to date, and      hopefully long may it continue that way.             All the 
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