Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
- From: "E.J. Zufelt" <lists@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 03:15:11 -0400
I'm happy to offer a CPanel account for the hosting of a blind programming site.
I can configure anything you need, but generally I'm running Apache / mySQL /
PHP 5.3.
Using a CMS like Drupal, or any other, is likely the best idea, as it allows
for more flexibility with what is done with the site than Wiki alone. However,
if the plan is wiki only then something like media wiki (haven't evaluated
accessibility recently) is likely a better idea.
Thanks,
Everett Zufelt
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On 2011-09-03, at 2:47 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
> Shoot. If you’d allow us to use Screwturn Wiki, I could set the whole thing
> up for you, but … never mind. That’s ASP.net and I highly doubt you want to
> be fooling around with Mod_asp.net. Though if you could let me in on the
> setting up of things (I don’t care what kind of web server the thing runs on,
> for mine was just an offer, and now that I think of it, that’s probably not a
> good idea right now for me to take it anyway as of next year because I’ll be
> hosting my own site up there plus a whole bunch of other stuff), , I’ll do
> what I can. I can’t say I would set up the entire thing for you (for college
> keeps me away from my own site, so never mind another one), but as long as we
> find a Wiki thingo that allows for email replies/integration/conversation via
> Email if we have a message board, I don’t care. And remember guys, that any
> offer you get from the leader of the Accesscop network (http://raeder24.org
> soon to be http://accesscop.org))me) or any of the rest of the crew (all of
> my friends are just as techie as I am), we’re volunteering our time because
> we are too community driven for business. So keep us updated, and I will
> help set things up and keep things going.
>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:59 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
>
> This is easy enough to run. I wouldn't recommend running it from a home
> connection, as that can be reliable. I run three linodes, $20 per, which is
> fairly cheap. Disk space isn't amazing, but it's not really needed if we're
> just going for a wiki.
> On 9/2/2011 5:47 PM, inthane wrote:
> unfortunately, the trouble is with something like this, it can be a good
> thing, but it can also wind up being a drag for the person in charge of it.
> we had a site, with lots of stuff on it, tutorials, how too's scripts for
> various IDE's on and on, but things got old and out dated, the persons
> running things got tired and it seemed wasn't getting as much help as they
> needed, and let it run down to a zero point and the name went back on the net
> as an purchasable option. . there was some effort to revamp and turn the
> sight into a wiki run item but that went by the wayside rather quickly. seems
> there was not enough dedication to restore all that was torn down to make
> room for the new site. .
> (note some may disagree on part or a lot of the all of this, I wasn't in much
> on the actual site revamp attempts other than making a contribution in
> dollars to keep the site running, but I did pick up parts of what was going
> on both from public sources (here) and private ones (I knew the owner at that
> time)
>
> and then someone must pay for either the server space (which can be done
> through contribution, but takes drive to get folks going) or a computer such
> as you offered, to run the site on, and what do you do if that computer
> breaks? which even the best unit will break eventually?
>
> Dennis brown ran things for years, and kept both the site and the list in
> full swing, then he retired from it, we saw him once in a while with
> questions but that was all, and then it all ran down to zero
>
> now a real ... piece of work owns the old site name and as I stated prior to
> this, wants 3000 dollars for it!
>
> anyway, its going to take dedication and a lot of work to get a lot of this
> running, the wiki or weblog may run well once set up, I have no clue not
> having ever tried to start one working, but someone is going to need a lot of
> Patients to get it going and up to speed I think.
>
> good luck,
> elf
> "do not mess in the affairs of dragons!
> for you are crunchy, and go good with barbecue sauce!"
> - Draconous Cerulean
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Katherine Moss
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
>
> I suppose you’re right. And it doesn’t matter. I mean, if we’re going to do
> a forum, then we might as well have a whole site so that we can extend our
> community for instance since this is a programming community, why not
> consolidate all of the things we do, the message board, the chatting and
> stuff into one place, have Jamal’s stuff, our stuff, and anyone else’s stuff
> on here that they think would be worthwhile to this community? And then
> folks can download our demos and stuff? That way there is only one
> consolidated resource for all of the blind programmers. Everybody could get
> their own page and stuff.
>
>
>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:22 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
>
>
>
> >Because you have to type in Open source ASP.net forum. It’s on CodePlex.
> >But if you prefer PHP fine. I’m sick of this war anyway.
> Meh. I wasn't taking a jab at you. I looked and didn't see it, I figured it'd
> come up pretty quickly if I used asp.net, which I figured it was. Either way
> though, I don't care. Right now we're the only two talking about it, so
> unless we get interest in it, what forum we use is sort of irrelevant.
>
> On 9/2/2011 8:16 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>
> Because you have to type in Open source ASP.net forum. It’s on CodePlex.
> But if you prefer PHP fine. I’m sick of this war anyway.
>
>
>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:09 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what com100 is. It's obviously a forum, but googling for it
> didn't bring up anything. I don't care, at this point who hosts it, but I
> really recommend something that's been widely used for a long time and is
> open source; phpbb fits that build. There are others out there that are
> popular too, but using an app on a front-facing site that no one has heard of
> (5 minutes of googling didn't bring up anything) is kind of a scary thought.
>
> On 9/2/2011 7:47 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>
> I could do that, but my forum for my network will still be based on Comm100.
> If you ant to take it though, you can. I really do not care. It was just an
> offer.
>
>
>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:45 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
>
>
>
> why? Just host it with phpbb, problem solved. It's widely used, easy to use
> and incredibly easy to install. I'll host it if the need is there.
> On 9/2/2011 6:47 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>
> I have a server at home. It would be a while, but I could perhaps run an
> extra web site. If we did a forum, you’d have to deal with the Comm100 Open
> source Forum though.
>
>
>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:59 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
>
>
>
> I agree, this is unsettling.
>
> I don't know if there'd be any desire for this, but does anyone else feel
> that the mailing list is sort of... well... 1999ish in its execution? We all
> want to be able to discuss a wide plethora of programming topics. But plenty
> of people don't want to wade through a high traffic list. There are more
> evolved community formats now, from Facebook groups and Google+ circles to
> full forum/wiki/community blog implementations that could be hosted on a
> dedicated server. It'd allow for people to filter the discussion they're
> interested in while not having to restrict topics people can discuss, as
> seems to be the Catch 22 Program-L is fighting with right now. I won't set it
> all up on my own. I don't care enough, straight and simple. But maybe if I'm
> not running the whole show by myself this is something that could be given
> some brainstorming? It won't work though unless it has at least the
> beginnings of a community willing to give it a go, and we seem pretty
> entrenched for some reason in the old EMail listserv.
> On 9/1/2011 4:22 PM, Michael Malver wrote:
>
> If this is true, and java is off topic, then I am totally and completely
> against the merge. I’ll be damned if I’m going to join a second e-mail list
> when the point of merging in the first place was to minimize the number of
> lists a person would have to subscribe to.
>
> If this is true, I hope someone will create a third list where all things
> programming can be discussed freely. When that happens, hopefully everyone
> will join it.
>
> Here’s hoping the message to which I am replying is just someone thinking out
> loud and not actually policy.
>
>
>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:11 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Fwd: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
>
>
>
> This just came through, for those of you who aren't on the program-l list. I
> know it's past the due date for our input, but I have a couple of issues,
> both of which I voiced.
> First, I'm kind of lost as to why Java isn't aloud to be discussed because
> it's "specialized." Sure there's another list for that, but if we're going to
> have "specialized" lists, why are we merging in the first place?
> Does this mean that sodbeans discussion is out? I've kind of followed along
> with that, though I haven't played with it to much.
> Second, I'm still curious why this is so hush-hush. I guess I'm worried that
> we're going to get forced into a list that is not going to allow some of what
> we have here. Sure some of it can be cleaned up, and George is the one to do
> that; he's an adept moderator, but It almost sounds like the volume of
> messages is going to be strictly controled for some reason.
>
>
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> [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists
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> Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:02:50 +0100
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> George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> There's always a leak somewhere before things can be properly
> announced, isn't there? However, it won't happen until 1st October.
>
> Yes indeed the two specialist lists are to merge. Or rather, they
> will be merged into ours. It was either that, or the other list could
> possibly be closed down.
>
> I have no doubt that it will initially swell the number of daily
> messages, but I'm hoping that with some appropriate moderation, things
> will keep on topic. If not, my steel ruler will be out rather
> sharpish.
>
> Needless to say JAVA will be considered off-topic as we have a list
> for that (program-java), and if the need arises for other specialist
> areas, I will have no hesitation in starting an appropriate list.
>
> Sorry you all had to find out via the jungle drums, but please stick
> with us. This has been a very professional list to date, and
> hopefully long may it continue that way.
>
> All the best,
>
> George Bell
> Moderator and list owner.
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> My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features!
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> Take care,
> Ty
> my website:
> http://tds-solutions.net
> my blog:
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> skype: st8amnd127
> My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features!
>
>
>
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> Take care,
> Ty
> my website:
> http://tds-solutions.net
> my blog:
> http://tds-solutions.net/blog
> skype: st8amnd127
> My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features!
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