Re: linux screen readers
- From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:06:26 -0400
Hi,
I agree with Matthew for what it's worth. If we offer to help fix the
issues and come through with some help, they will be more likely to want to
help us.
Thanks.
Jim
James D Homme,
Usability Engineering
Highmark Inc.
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
412-544-1810
"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to
wait until I think I
can do it just right."
"Matthew2007"
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programmingblind@
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No, No, No, this is absolutely not the approach to take. This silly
approach
will absolutely not work to our benefit. This is completely convoluted and
very stupid logic to want to start "beating" people once they don't do what
you want. Remember, we need something from them, and they need nothing from
us, so it behooves us to kindly, very kindly request an ear for a few
minutes in order to explain our plight. You must exhaust all resources
before getting aggressive. What if after a kind request the other party
agrees and begins to help? then all is well and we benefit immensely. On
the
other hand, what if you start doing stupid things such as getting very
aggressive and threatening at the offset then demand help? The other party
will not only not want to help you, but they will have a very incorrect
view
of you and who you represent. Yes, the squeaky gear might get the oil, but
we're not talking mechanics here, we're talking human interactions.
Gees,
Matthew
---- Original Message -----
From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers
> then it sounds like its time for those who are interested to go beat the
> orca developers vigorously about the head and shoulders with there canes
> until they give the needed information, eh?
>
> smile, I have found quite often that the old saying "the squeaky gear
gets
> the oil" is very true
>
> I'll even join in some, since I will undoubtedly need some of this
> knowledge somewhere along the line, though the need hasn't come up yet.
>
> take care,
> inthane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: linux screen readers
>
>
>> From what I have seen there're no lists for orca scripting, nor
>> documentation available for it. I do think we should have this list,
>> as we should perhaps have a nvda scripting list, sinse this reader is
>> going really fast in its developement.
>> I guess, however, I can not help writting tutorials about how to
>> script orca, because I even haven't found an explanation about how is
>> the window structure in gnome apps (e.e if there are handles, control
>> ids and the like). This is what I miss, it wouldn't make seense to try
>> to make an app accessible without knowing first what we have in hands
>> to do that.
>> Marlon
>>
>> 2007/9/12, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> I definately have the impression that Orca and GUI access on Linux have
>>> made major strides in progress this past year, so would encourage
anyone
>>> interested to check out this platform. Sun, IBM, and Google, among
>>> others, are committed to Linux and have shown genuine interest in
>>> accessibility. I think they would welcome feedback from blind people
>>> doing GUI application development in that area.
>>>
>>> Does anyone here happen to know if there is a scripting list for Orca,
>>> and
>>> if so, how to subscribe?
>>>
>>> Jamal
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>> stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for
>> free."
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