Re: linux screen readers

Firstly, every situation is different and calls for different tactics for accomplishing your goals. Complaining, griping, and threatening might work to pressure a government agency into relenting, but it won't work for a charity helping you free of charge.


Criticizing another's work will not make them want to help you. It will most likely upset them and make them delete your message or block your messages altogether. They are spending an immense amount of their personal time developing these works, so why should they take anyone's criticism? I'm sure they may not always have the time to outline why they can't help you, but this doesn't mean they don't want to. Remember, we all have busy lives now a days, and what might seem important to us might be meaningless to others. Trying to force them into compliance of your needs will only serve to distance them from you. There is no benefit in telling someone their program sucks just because they won't help you. A better approach is to tell them how they can benefit by including your suggestion into their product.

Respectfully,

Matthew
---- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers


But what if we can't help, but we still don't like what other guys do?
We don't have anything to lose if we say something bad about their work, because it is not helpful for us anyway. But if we say something, maybe they find that there are some persons that don't like their work, and they might want to improve the programs.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers


Hi,
I agree with Matthew for what it's worth. If we offer to help fix the
issues and come through with some help, they will be more likely to want to
help us.

Thanks.

Jim

James D Homme,
Usability Engineering
Highmark Inc.
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wait until I think I
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No, No, No, this is absolutely not the approach to take. This silly
approach
will absolutely not work to our benefit. This is completely convoluted and
very stupid logic to want to start "beating" people once they don't do what

you want. Remember, we need something from them, and they need nothing from

us, so it behooves us to kindly, very kindly request an ear for a few
minutes in order to explain our plight. You must exhaust all resources
before getting aggressive. What if after a kind request the other party
agrees and begins to help? then all is well and we benefit immensely. On
the
other hand, what if you start doing stupid things such as getting very
aggressive and threatening at the offset then demand help? The other party
will not only not want to help you, but they will have a very incorrect
view
of you and who you represent. Yes, the squeaky gear might get the oil, but
we're not talking mechanics here, we're talking human interactions.

Gees,

Matthew
---- Original Message -----
From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers


then it sounds like its time for those who are interested to go beat the
orca developers vigorously about the head and shoulders with there canes
until they give the needed information, eh?

smile, I have found quite often that the old saying "the squeaky gear
gets
the oil" is very true

I'll even join in some, since I will undoubtedly need some of this
knowledge somewhere along the line, though the need hasn't come up yet.

take care,
inthane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers


From what I have seen there're no lists for orca scripting, nor
documentation available for it. I do think we should have this list,
as we should perhaps have a nvda scripting list, sinse this reader is
going really fast in its developement.
I guess, however, I can not help writting tutorials about how to
script orca, because I even haven't found an explanation about how is
the window structure in gnome apps (e.e if there are handles, control
ids and the like). This is what I miss, it wouldn't make seense to try
to make an app accessible without knowing first what we have in hands
to do that.
Marlon

2007/9/12, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>:
I definately have the impression that Orca and GUI access on Linux have
made major strides in progress this past year, so would encourage
anyone
interested to check out this platform.  Sun, IBM, and Google, among
others, are committed to Linux and have shown genuine interest in
accessibility.  I think they would welcome feedback from blind people
doing GUI application development in that area.

Does anyone here happen to know if there is a scripting list for Orca,
and
if so, how to subscribe?

Jamal

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