Thanks for that great response, Will. I think my own personal interest in creating development tools for the blind programming community is that I think it will lead to some really innovative ways of navigating and understanding code, probably in ways that are hard to do visually. I think, while perhaps an old argument, that my mind keeps coming back to the idea of curb cuts. Originally, with curb cuts the idea was to cut in to make curbs accessible to wheelchairs. At first glance, this may sound like a custom change that only helps a small community, although as we now know, it makes bike access, stroller access, and other wheeled access more accessible for all. I think of the programming tools for the blind in the same way. By studying how we can best represent speech for analyzing state information, control flow, data flow, whatever, and carefully controlling how navigation and other issues work, we might be able to create programming tools that are wildly more effective for the blind and at least potentially more effective in general. Andy __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind