The key for doing this follows: Make navegation for blinds as randomic as it is for sighted people. This can be achieved by setting keystrokes which will simulate quick visual navegation. It would also be good if all those keystrokes were put in a menu. People will use more one or another feature deppending on what they're trying to do. The only way of letting them know what tools are available to use is putting all of them in menus, properly grouped and defined (with its corresponding keystrokes being anounced). Then the more used features keystrokes will be memorized with the use. As for debugging I still do think a command line aproach is good, I can't imagine other possible solutions for now. Marlon -- When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free." Linus Torvalds __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind