Hi Jim, > I don't know enough to know which part is NetBeans and which isn't. Does > SodBeans look at visual elements or does NetBeans do that? Sodbeans does it for sure, although I'm not sure off the top of my head whether you can gather that kind of visual information from the access bridge, or whether JAWS/NVDA actually uses it, if it's there. I'm guessing not, but I forget. With that said, that information IS available to Sodbeans, because of the way we are plugged into NetBeans, which is basically our own cross-platform access bridge we wrote ourselves. From that, we can gather almost any of this kind of stuff, although sometimes it takes some serious hacking and time to make it all work well together. Stefik __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind