Re: Oracle Meeting - community requests?
- From: Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:18:35 -0600
Hi Ken,
It's ok. Trust me, we understand really well how frustrating it can be
to use tools that are barely accessible, if at all, like so much
software out there is.
Stefik
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I upset Sina with this mail and after reading it back I can see how it would
> upset him and the creators of this software. I am sorry it came out as
> nasty as it did but I fight these large companies every chance I get in the
> position I am in and I wish I had more opportunity to do so. I like the
> Bean project and will most likely end up using it for a few things so I am
> not flaming the developers of specialized software below as much as I am
> pissed at the companies for glad handing and supporting one IDE no matter
> how nice and not supporting the whole branch of their software for everyone
> and I am not just talking the blind community. I have other bones to pick
> with Orical to but the blind one affects me the most. I just hope those
> developers who get to talk to whoever it is at Orical do put in at least 10
> % of their time to ask why more of their stuff is not being supported
> including some of their Database tools and the Access bridge. So again
> sorry about my flippant mail I am sure I could have wrote it better but call
> me rude I sometimes come off as prickly as the old fart I am. I do like
> this project and think it has one of the better debuggers for blind users.
> Sorry if this message got to the list twice I tried to reply to it but
> screwed it up with good old outlook.
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>
> Ken
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Ken Perry [mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:20 PM
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> To: 'programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
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> Subject: RE: Oracle Meeting - community requests?
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> Um yes lets help the special software to help the special people but not to
> actually make the full set of our software accessible. That way we will
> look good without having to do too much hard work. I have no complaints
> about that either.
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> Ken
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
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> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:20 PM
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> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Subject: Re: Oracle Meeting - community requests?
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> LOL, you crack me up Sina. I'm really looking forward to you coming out for
> our workshop next summer!
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> As for Oracle, they've been incredibly supportive of our team, so far and
> have fixed a host of accessibility problems for us without head cracking.
> They've helped us a ton with the debugger architecture, various windows and
> behind the scenes stuff, and generally, have given us more support than I
> ever would have expected. I really have no complaints at all.
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> I guess the trick is that we always some with a really explicit list of
> accessibility problems and such. So, I figured I would ask folks.
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> If people have some specific problems they'd like to see fixed, I can always
> ask them about it.
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> Stefik
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> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Ditto.
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>> It's too bad that Andy's such a nice guy, having had several
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>> conversations
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> with him. Otherwise, I'd recommend he slap some heads
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>> together, *smile*.
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>> But seriously Andy, see if you can get any kind of commitment, or at
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>> least
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> acknowledgement, even, out of them; regarding their
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>> nonexistent support for accessibility.
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>> Take care,
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>> Sina
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>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
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>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:31 PM
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>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> Subject: RE: Oracle Meeting - community requests?
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>> Yes get them to support the accessibility client for the screen
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>> readers again.
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>>
>
>> Ken
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas
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>> Stefik
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>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:27 AM
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>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> Subject: Oracle Meeting - community requests?
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>> Hey folks,
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>> The Sodbeans team here is meeting with Oracle next week to talk about
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>> accessibility in NetBeans. Any requests in terms of accessibility?
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>>
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>> Stefik
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