Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?

More than having a personal preference for touch keyboards, in just watching devices come out month after month the direction the hardware developers are taking is clear. We're entering the era of the touch screen. It'd be in our best interest to contrive accessible solutions to these touchscreen interfaces now, because they might be the vast majority of devices on the market before long. *shrug* Or maybe I'm missing all the excellent Droid phones on the horizon with hardware keyboards? The Droid 2 is the only pending phone I think will have one that I know of. None of the hTC models that I've seen in the pending category plan to have a hardware keyboard. It'd be a bummer if a bluetooth keyboard is a necessity for a blind user instead of a convenience. But I guess beggars can't be choosers! *smile*



On 07/30/2010 06:54 PM, Jay Macarty wrote:
While I think the touch keyboard on iOS 4 is somewhat better, I still had to resort to getting the blueTooth keyboard to really feel comfortable with things like facebook.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?


See I have had an IPhone since the day it was accessible and as soon as
there is a good android phone that has a keyboard and froyo default I am
going to see if I can skip my IPhone across the Ohio. I know several of my friends that say Oh I can text just fine on my Iphone and my ITouch then I sit and watch them. It's like watching a blind mouse hunt for cheese in a
room full of mouse traps.  I can text on my IPhone and but I don't do it
even 1/4 as much as I did on my nokia because it is ugly and painful.




Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:07 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?

I guess I don't really want to be restritcted to the devices with
keyboards. The iPhone's onscreen keyboard is usable if, as everyone has
to, you practice it a bit. Do you know if the situation on Android is
anywhere near that? Would the Droid X, for instance, be a viable choice
for the Android functionality you've described, presuming Version 2.2
could be gotten onto it?

On 07/30/2010 01:15 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
Yes and the speech input is even unbelievable .  You could even talk to
thee
thing and text if you want.  The one thing I recommend is you wait till
there are some new handsets with keyboards. I have an old hand set but it
has a keyboard and I have hacked it to have 2.2 on it.  I am waiting
actually for the Ericson but it won't be out till probably 2011.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:56 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?

Can it at least manage  contacts,  texts, and other base  phone
functions adequately? I have to admit that  I'm at this tough
crossroads. I can get myself a smartphone right now, and one smartphone
only. I feel I have enough knowledge to not just use Android
accessibility but to improve on it. That said, I can do all the fun
smartphone thingies with the iPhone today, right now, this minute. If I
could have an iPhone  for today and have an Android  to develop on for
tomorrow, that'd be ideal. But I haven't those types of funds and am a
poor con artist. *smile* If it can at least do what I've hacked together
on my present phone though, (that is make and receive calls with caller
identification,  read  call logs, review and edit contact information,
and handle SMS), I'd be more likely to just take the plunge with Android and let the apps come. I think they will in the end. Finally, what's the
status of touchscreen input on Android? Last I knew it wasn't nearly as
easy to  accomplish  eyes free data input through the touchscreen, and
well, QWERTY keyboards on smartphones are going the way of the dodo.


On 07/30/2010 12:42 PM, Bill Cox wrote:

I wouldn't say it speaks "all" other menus, but it does seem pretty
close.  There are annoying gaps in some popular applications.  The
microphone icon on the search bar is not spoken, and neither are other
icons on most other widgets.  Some desktop widgets are not accessible
at all.  There's not quite enough of the right kind of information
spoken, like what row and column you're on when browsing the desktop.

However, the progress is very encouraging, and at some point I suspect
blind programmers will get involved and progress will accelerate.
What has to happen first is for Android to become the platform of
choice for the blind.  I think that will happen.

Bill

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alphonso McFadden
<techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>   wrote:


So does this mean it speaks all other menue's?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox"<waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?


Hi, Bryan.  Talkback in Android 2.2 is getting close to usable, but
not quite there.  The main problem remaining is that the browser and
e-mail applications are not accessible, both of which I think use
webkit.  Work on making it accessible is underway.  I think we can
count on Google to get it where it needs to be, but I can't estimate
the timeline.

Bill

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Bryan Schulz<b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


hi,

i called a local at&t wireless store and most of what they sell are the
android operating system.
will mobile speak be created for this system or will there possibly be
a
free open source app to make these phones talk?
i would like to get an unlocked phone with no monthly fee off ebay for
a
low
talk time charge when needed solution.
Bryan Schulz


----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave"<davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?




I'm relatively new to Android land as well, but from what I've done so
far, yes, it's accessible depending on your experience.

Android comes with a variety of development tools; there's, as you
mentioned, a plugin for Eclipse to help streamline the development
experience (auto generated project files).

However, all of this can be done by hand via the Android SDK using
command line tools. One can also specify UI elements within an
AndroidManifest xml file.

The learning curve isn't too bad as long as you are fairly comfortable
with exploring the technology stack (from the tools, to the SDK, to
the application concepts such as intents, broadcasts, services, etc.
and finally to managing a real device such as flashing, rooting,
etc.).

Hth.

On 7/29/10, David Engebretson Jr.<d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I asked the same question a week back or so and didn't get a
response.
Maybe we'll need to explore it together. try eyesfree.google.com

cheers,
david

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Jaquiss"<rjaquiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: Is Android Programming Accessible?




Hello:

I am looking at a possible project that requires programming for an
Android based device. Has anyone done this? My research to date
indicates
that Java is used with the Eclipse IDE and an Android SDK.

Regards,

Robert

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