Well Quickin is supposed to be accessible with Jaws but man what a mess. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:24 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Help With Sounds I got MT from APH, and it is nice, but I don't like using a proprietary program. If quicken were accessible I'd rather be able to use that. But MT is nice and simple for a checkbook or credit card record. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 6:14 PM Subject: RE: Help With Sounds You see you don't even know APH we do not charge for software updates. Shrug I know how you feel and I think you're a bit prejudiced because of other companies. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:41 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Help With Sounds Sure, and if you enjoy living in the ghetto blindness space, then that's fine. I love it, frankly, 10 to 20X margins, only a few tech conferences a year, the most you have is a few releases per financial year and you can usually charge the user for some of those, etc, etc ... It's great. I love that market. Exploiting blind people is the way to go if you want some cash, my friend. It's as easy as apple pie, but that doesn't make it better. You have short-term advantages for ghetto blind products written specifically for the blind. Very little learning curve, easier navigation for a little while, etc, etc, and then you realize that this product is written by an industry who doesn't have any capitalistic pressure on it. People, have, to buy from them, so they can continue releasing complete garbage, charging an arm and a leg, and oh, I love this part, we should be grateful because it's a company incurring such costs to develop in the blindness space. And I swear, if you show me a company that has that level of cost, I'll show you the most incompetent set of idiots ever in charge of a product. I don't care if they are nice, or good people. That makes me want to have a beer with them, but the fact that they are such incompetent tech managers makes me want to throw said beer in their face. So here's an idea, take a tenth of those dollars, and make some real applications used by real people in the real world accessible. You mentioned Outlook. Show me a blindness application that works half as well for the things Outlook can do. You mentioned editors. For IDE's, I use eclipse, when I need something more than wordpad, not a proprietary editor, and I actually prefer it to anything I've used, including Boxer. There's word processors ... Show me anything that works better than MS Word for the kinds of things it supports, for the blind. Same for presentation software: there's PowerPoint. And so on Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:28 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Help With Sounds I like to argue this. If you actually get good software written for the blind it's much better than software adapted for the blind. Unfortunately that means its more expensive but then look at gold wave, dreamweaver, Adobie, and the list could go on I will not even list Microsoft because we all know they are um well interesting when it comes to pricing their software have you tried buying Outlook? Don't give me that use thunderbird crap I have to actually get my appointments sometime this week. Some times its better just to buck up and pay for software that is easy to use so you don't have to spend time and money fighting with it to make it work the way it should have when you got it. Hell I am even working on an extension for Safari to try to make that piece of shit work better. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:11 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Help With Sounds Let me be less kind, haha. Anything written in the blindness market. Other industries do actually know how to write software. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:59 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Help With Sounds When did Sina become a lousy communist? On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: > There is also Reaper, and some other programs as well. > > $200 for anything other than an entire operating system is not only ludicrous, but down right despicable. > > I'd laugh, but I'm too busy being sick to my stomach at such an insane price for anything. > > Take care, > Sina > > ________________________________ > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:27 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Help With Sounds > > > > Sound recorder (SR) by APH is my tool of choice. It is $200 but it is > the most accessible and coolest sound tool made for blind folks. If > you don't have a volunteer yet let me know and I can see what I can wack out. > > > > Ken > > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of QuentinC > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:04 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Help With Sounds > > > > You could use programs such as audacity to make that. 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