Re: FruitBasket-MFC

Hi Ken.  Are you using VCExpress?  Cheers!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: RE: FruitBasket-MFC




I know this but it will not link. I know there is a flag I am missing but I
have not been able to find it.  I would rather like to keep my code till I
have got it to link.  I guess if you can not tell me what flags and
libraries need to be on the command line for hand compiling MFC code then I
will continue to look on google.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jaffar
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:27 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC

Hi Ken. Could you send me your code for the MFC's minimalist fruitBasket so
I can take a look at it.  I'll see how i can adapt it, then include the
appropiate instructions with the finished code. Cheers! Btw, You need not
use WinMain() or Main() with mfc because the class CMyApp : public CWinApp
declaration will call the Winmain() function.  Cheers!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:50 AM
Subject: RE: FruitBasket-MFC




I already have one almost written the trouble only is in the linking
stage it refuses to link because it can't find main.  Well there isn't a
main.
The main is actually called WinMainCRTStartup and its in an MFC dll
some where.  If someone like Jafar knows what switch I have to put on
the command line I can have a single file FruitBasket rather quick.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jaffar
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:43 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC

Hi Jamal. Very true. I'll see if i can write out one over this week end.
Anyway, I find MFC less cumbersome than actually writing for windows
using native c++.  Cheers!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC


Hi Jaffar,
That's good to know that hand coding, without wizards and code
generators, is also possible with MFC and VS.  If you get a chance, I
would be keenly interested in examining a single file, minimalist
fruit basket program compiled with VC++.  Personally, I find that
multiple source, header, and resource files tmake the code difficult
to
comprehend.

Jamal
On Tue,
20 Nov 2007, jaffar wrote:

Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:12:54 +0800
From: jaffar <jaffar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC

Hi Jamal.  As far as I understand it, MFC itself is a microsoft
created library-cum-wrapper for Win32 programming.  As far As I am
Concerned, I just create MFC applications without the use of the
readily available App Wizards with Visual Studio.  I just start from
scratch from and empty project and hand code the app myself which i
find to be more productive.  Cheers!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: FruitBasket-MFC


> I'm looking forward to studying your code, Ken.  I have no
> experience with the dialog editor myself, and wonder whether it
> would be possible to develop with MFC without it, by using a
> version of CreateDialogIndirect (or equivalent for regular
> application windows), whereby control attributes are specified via
> memory structures at runtime.  Are there wrappers to help develop
> in this way?
>
> Jamal
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007, Ken Perry wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:36:42 -0800
>> From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: FruitBasket-MFC
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yeah same for Jaws and I am betting most screen readers.  Like
>> I said I was able to drop the controls but I had to go in and
>> edit their locations because the dialog can not be tabbed through
>> like the Form editor with Jaws.
>> I mean when you read tutorials on MFC they say just select the
>> button and hit enter and it will give you a list of properties or
>> stuff like that.
>> Well In my case the add button and delete button and edit box
>> were all visible but the list box was not on the screen.  I
>> maximized the dialog with Alt-space but that didn't seem to help.
>> I finally just went to the resource file and edited it with the
>> source code editor which means you have to sit down and figure
>> out where each control should go.  I am not complaining because
>> you can do it and it gives you full control over the dialog .
>> It
>> could be worse as we all know because visual c++ 6 and jaws you
>> couldn't even select the controls and drop them on the dialog.
>> At least now you can drop them and arrange them later.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> jaffar
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:30 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC
>>
>>
>> Hi Ken.  Would agree with you there.  The resource editor is not
>> really accessible, although with window eyes, one could use the
>> num pad to read some info on the screen.  I wish it were more
>> accessible though.
>> Cheers!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ken  <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Perry
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:09 PM
>> Subject: FruitBasket-MFC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You ask for it you got it.  Here it is the one the only
>> FruitBasket in MFC.
>> The hardest part of writing this was using the resource editor.
>> It was like being back in Visual studio 6.  Why they didn't just
>> make the current dialog editor work for the old resources I don't
>> know.  I doubt they will fix this in 2008 but we can all pray.
>> Jamal have you tried the MFC resource editor and do you think it
>> could be made to be accessible like the forms editor?
>>
>> Anyway even with the problems I was able to make the FruitBasket
>> program in little to no time so here it is.  Note most of the
>> guts of the program is in FruitBasketDlg.cpp and FruitBasketDlg.h
>> I am going to try to make a minimalist version of this but the
>> trouble I had with a single source version of this was the
>> command line options.  Microsoft has not made it easy to just
>> compile an MFC application.  Further more a single cpp file would
>> need all the controls done dynamically rather than in a resource
file.
>> While that would get around the problems I had with the resource
>> editor, I find fighting with the resource files easier than
>> writing all the code to create the controls dynamically.  This
>> doesn't mean I won't make a minimalist version of the MFC
>> FruitBasket it just means it is not done yet.
>> I will most likely make it when I re make the win32 version I lost.
>>
>> OK here is the link to the two archives of the MFC version.  I
>> made two because some people on this list like .rar and some like
>> .zip.
>> Inthane
>> use
>> which ever you want to on the page it is the same file.  The
>> executable is under the release directory.
>>
>> .rar:
>>  <http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.rar>
>> http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.rar
>> .zip
>>  <http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.zip>
>> http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.zip
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
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