Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs

  • From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:40:10 -0400 (EDT)

In case this helps you or others interested in using WxWidgets, I just
posted a documentation collection at
http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/wx_doc.zip

Cheers,
Jamal

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Octavian
Rasnita
wrote:

> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:59:50 +0300
> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
>
> I have tried it again, and I've seen that it is pretty accessible. Not very
> friendly to Jaws, but accessible yes.
>
> If I moved the focus with left and right arrows in order to select a tab
> page or the second one, Jaws use to say only "WX" for each page, beeing
> pretty hard to see on which of the pages is the focus.
> But if I pressed Insert+Tab, Jaws read the name of the current page, so I
> guess this might be solved with a Jaws script.
>
> I have also tried the WXPerl demo.pl and I've seen that when the focus is on
> the first tab it doesn't read the name of that page even if I press
> insert+tab. It just say "Tab".
>
> I haven't tried too much and I thought it is not accessible when I've seen
> that it doesn't talk on insert+tab and neither when using the arrow keys.
>
> But I like that it works with Control+tab and control+Shift+tab for moving
> the focus to prior or next page.
> I don't know if this is built in, but I hope it is.
>
> Win32::GUI and Java SWT don't have these hotkeys built in.
>
> You convinced me to try more serious WXPerl, even if I don't like its syntax
> (even if I won't create another wrapper for it that make it work like
> Win32::GUI :-)
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
>
>
> I just looked at the WxPerl samples from
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxperl/wxperl-0.26-samples.zip
> The controls.pl program includes a tab control that seems accessible.
> It does not respond to Control+PageUp/Down, but does respond to
> Control+Tab/Shift+Tab.  One can also arrow from one tab page label to
> another.
>
> I did have to comment out the statement beginning on line 1142 for the
> program to run with my Perl installation.
>
> Regarding writing friendlier wrappers for WxPerl, I think you would only
> need to do this once for each class because the methods for the class are
> generally not going to change from one version to another (that would
> break existing code).  It seems that newer versions add support for more
> Wx classes, particularly graphically oriented ones, rather than changing
> existing ones.  I think you could safely stay with the last stable build
> for the forseeable future.
>
> Regarding how much of WxWidgets is wrapped by WxPerl, my impression
> was different when browsing the documentation.  I noticed that almost
> everything of interest to me, including standard controls and common
> dialogs, was wrapped.  Wx features not wrapped were likely to be
> possible via other established Perl libraries.
>
> Jamal
>  On Tue, 23 Oct 2007,
> Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:25:06 +0300
> > From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> >
> > I have tested the WXPerl demo program included in the package of WXPerl,
> > but
> > I found that some of controls are not accessible. I think one of them is a
> > tab control.
> >
> > Have you found it accessible?
> >
> > I am asking this, because I thought the same about Win32::GUI when I tried
> > the demos. They are not using the -dialogui => 1 option, so they weren't
> > able to be used with the keyboard. Maybe I should also change the WXPerl
> > demo a little to make it more friendly.
> >
> > Octavian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> >
> >
> > Yes, I think the problem is that those Win32 controls are not as
> > accessible as you would like.  As far as I can tell, the Wx TabControl
> > is called a NoteBook.  It appears to be as accessible as most Win32 tab
> > controls, e.g., based on the Python sample installed by default at
> > c:\program files\wxPython2.8 Docs and Demos\demo\Notebook.py
> >
> > For anyone interested in learning the capabilities of the Wx library, I
> > suggest examining the extensive samples available for Python.  You can
> > download and run the installers listed below for all components needed
> > to develop with Python for Windows.
> >
> > Jamal
> >
> > Python 2.5 for Windows
> > http://python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1.msi
> >
> > Python Extensions for Windows
> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pywin32/pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe?modtime=1159009392&amp;big_mirror=0&amp;filesize=4351705
> >
> > wxPython for Windows
> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxpython2.8-win32-unicode-2.8.6.0-py25.exe
> >
> > wxPython Docs and Demos
> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxpython2.8-win32-docs-demos-2.8.6.0.exe
> >
> >
> >
> > On
> > Tue, 23 Oct 2007,
> > Octavian Rasnita
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:58:24 +0300
> > > From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> > >
> > > Yes I found that the WX html widget is not accessible and the tab
> > > control
> > > neither.
> > >
> > > There are other controls which are not accessible, but I guess not
> > > because
> > > of WX, but because those Win32 controls are not accessible.
> > >
> > > I am talking about the tool bar controls and the scroll bar controls,
> > > and
> > > maybe there are others...
> > >
> > > Octavian
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:57 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> > >
> > >
> > > Almost every language uses a GUI library rather than having that support
> > > as native syntax.  Can you give a specific example of a problem with Wx
> > > accessibility?  On Windows, Wx wraps standard Windows controls, so MSAA
> > > support comes automatically.
> > >
> > > Jamal
> > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Ken Perry wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:42:57 -0700
> > > > From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They might but what then are we showing how to make something in the
> > > > language or how to make something using Xwidgets.  I also am not happy
> > > > with
> > > > how some of the xwidget demos work with speech output.
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> > > > Mazrui
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:18 AM
> > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> > > >
> > > > I think at least some of those languages have wrappers for the
> > > > WxWidgets
> > > > GUI
> > > > library.
> > > > Jamal
> > > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Ken Perry wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:10:31 -0700
> > > > > From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem with Haskell, LUA, and Objective Caml which are all
> > > > > languages I have thought of doing one in are they do not have an
> > > > > easy
> > > > > way to access the
> > > > > Win32 environment or some way to create a dialog type application.
> > > > > I
> > > > > keep them on the list of programs I will write one in but haven't
> > > > > got
> > > > > around to it because it is almost as much work as the one I wrote in
> > > > > LISP.  If someone writes them first more power to them but what
> > > > essentially these will end up
> > > > > being is direct calls to Win32 and a bit of the   programming
> > > > > languages
> > > > > structure and syntax.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I came up with the Fruit Basket idea I didn't think of this
> > > > > kind
> > > > > of language maybe we should come up with another test program that
> > > > > instead of displaying a graphical interface does a lot of work like
> > > > > looping, conditionals, functions or methods,  Not really to do
> > > > > anything important but to show what the language is like when using
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> > > > > Mazrui
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:05 AM
> > > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> > > > >
> > > > > Would you consider doing one in Groovy?  How about JRuby?  I would
> > > > > also like to see ones in LUA, Delphi, and Haskell.
> > > > >
> > > > > When IronRuby is released by Microsoft, I will try to do one in that
> > > > > language.   It is analagous to IronPython -- in this case, a full
> > > > > Ruby
> > > > > implementation built on the .NET platform.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jamal
> > > > > On Sat, 20 Oct
> > > > > 2007, Veli-Pekka Tätilä wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:46:22 +0300
> > > > > > From: Veli-Pekka Tätilä <vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > Interesting to see more exotic scripting langs like Boo here. Does
> > > > > > anyone here know Lua, by the way?
> > > > > > Another lang that should be included is the Java way into
> > > > > > scripting,
> > > > > > namely Groovy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groovy_%28programming_language%29
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What's the MS equivalent, i.e. is there a .NET based scripting
> > > > > > language out there? I do know there's VBA and the Windows Power
> > > > > > Shell but not sure if I'd classify either as a scripting lang
> > > > > > directly. More like domain specific environments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > > > > > Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming:
> > > > > > http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From the zip archive at
> > > > > > > http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/boo_fruit.zip
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This fruit basket program is written in Boo  -- Full source code
> > > > > > > in the zip archive and pasted below.  The batch file compile.bat
> > > > > > > invokes the command-line compiler for this scripting language.
> > > > > > > The resulting executable, boo_fruit.exe, is about 12K in size.
> > > > > > > No
> > > > > > > other files are needed to run the program -- as long as the .NET
> > > > > > > Framework 2.0 is installed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Boo borrows syntax from Python, seeks to improve it, and combine
> > > > > > > strengths of both static and dynamic languages.  Its home page
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > at http://boo.codehaus.org Boo resources, including the
> > > > > > > interpreter, compiler, documentation, and examples are available
> > > > > > > from
> > > > there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still learning Boo, but was able to produce a working
> > > > > > > program
> > > > > > > by converting the first C# fruit basket program I did via a web
> > > > > > > form available at
> > > > > > > http://codeconverter.sharpdevelop.net/Convert.aspx
> > > > > > > For comparison, the C# code is available in the file
> > > > > > > cs_fruit.cs.
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