I have tried it again, and I've seen that it is pretty accessible. Not very friendly to Jaws, but accessible yes.
If I moved the focus with left and right arrows in order to select a tab page or the second one, Jaws use to say only "WX" for each page, beeing pretty hard to see on which of the pages is the focus. But if I pressed Insert+Tab, Jaws read the name of the current page, so I guess this might be solved with a Jaws script.
I have also tried the WXPerl demo.pl and I've seen that when the focus is on the first tab it doesn't read the name of that page even if I press insert+tab. It just say "Tab".
I haven't tried too much and I thought it is not accessible when I've seen that it doesn't talk on insert+tab and neither when using the arrow keys.
But I like that it works with Control+tab and control+Shift+tab for moving the focus to prior or next page.
I don't know if this is built in, but I hope it is. Win32::GUI and Java SWT don't have these hotkeys built in.You convinced me to try more serious WXPerl, even if I don't like its syntax (even if I won't create another wrapper for it that make it work like Win32::GUI :-)
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs I just looked at the WxPerl samples from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxperl/wxperl-0.26-samples.zip The controls.pl program includes a tab control that seems accessible. It does not respond to Control+PageUp/Down, but does respond to Control+Tab/Shift+Tab. One can also arrow from one tab page label to another. I did have to comment out the statement beginning on line 1142 for the program to run with my Perl installation. Regarding writing friendlier wrappers for WxPerl, I think you would only need to do this once for each class because the methods for the class are generally not going to change from one version to another (that would break existing code). It seems that newer versions add support for more Wx classes, particularly graphically oriented ones, rather than changing existing ones. I think you could safely stay with the last stable build for the forseeable future. Regarding how much of WxWidgets is wrapped by WxPerl, my impression was different when browsing the documentation. I noticed that almost everything of interest to me, including standard controls and common dialogs, was wrapped. Wx features not wrapped were likely to be possible via other established Perl libraries. Jamal On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:25:06 +0300 From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script LangsI have tested the WXPerl demo program included in the package of WXPerl, butI found that some of controls are not accessible. I think one of them is a tab control. Have you found it accessible? I am asking this, because I thought the same about Win32::GUI when I tried the demos. They are not using the -dialogui => 1 option, so they weren't able to be used with the keyboard. Maybe I should also change the WXPerl demo a little to make it more friendly. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs Yes, I think the problem is that those Win32 controls are not as accessible as you would like. As far as I can tell, the Wx TabControl is called a NoteBook. It appears to be as accessible as most Win32 tab controls, e.g., based on the Python sample installed by default at c:\program files\wxPython2.8 Docs and Demos\demo\Notebook.py For anyone interested in learning the capabilities of the Wx library, I suggest examining the extensive samples available for Python. You can download and run the installers listed below for all components needed to develop with Python for Windows. Jamal Python 2.5 for Windows http://python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1.msi Python Extensions for Windows http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pywin32/pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe?modtime=1159009392&big_mirror=0&filesize=4351705 wxPython for Windows http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxpython2.8-win32-unicode-2.8.6.0-py25.exe wxPython Docs and Demos http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxpython2.8-win32-docs-demos-2.8.6.0.exe On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:58:24 +0300 > From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs >> Yes I found that the WX html widget is not accessible and the tab > control> neither. >> There are other controls which are not accessible, but I guess not > because> of WX, but because those Win32 controls are not accessible. >> I am talking about the tool bar controls and the scroll bar controls, > and> maybe there are others... > > Octavian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:57 PM > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs > > > Almost every language uses a GUI library rather than having that support > as native syntax. Can you give a specific example of a problem with Wx > accessibility? On Windows, Wx wraps standard Windows controls, so MSAA > support comes automatically. > > Jamal > On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Ken Perry wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:42:57 -0700 > > From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs > > > > > > They might but what then are we showing how to make something in the > > language or how to make something using Xwidgets. I also am not happy > > with > > how some of the xwidget demos work with speech output. > > > > Ken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal > > Mazrui> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:18 AM > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs > >> > I think at least some of those languages have wrappers for the > > WxWidgets> > GUI > > library. > > Jamal > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Ken Perry wrote: > > > > > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:10:31 -0700 > > > From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: RE: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with Haskell, LUA, and Objective Caml which are all> > > languages I have thought of doing one in are they do not have an > > > easy> > > way to access the> > > Win32 environment or some way to create a dialog type application. > > > I > > > keep them on the list of programs I will write one in but haven't > > > got> > > around to it because it is almost as much work as the one I wrote in > > > LISP. If someone writes them first more power to them but what > > essentially these will end up > > > being is direct calls to Win32 and a bit of the programming > > > languages > > > structure and syntax. > > >> > > When I came up with the Fruit Basket idea I didn't think of this > > > kind> > > of language maybe we should come up with another test program that > > > instead of displaying a graphical interface does a lot of work like > > > looping, conditionals, functions or methods, Not really to do > > > anything important but to show what the language is like when using > > > it. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal > > > Mazrui > > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:05 AM > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs > > > > > > Would you consider doing one in Groovy? How about JRuby? I would > > > also like to see ones in LUA, Delphi, and Haskell. > > > > > > When IronRuby is released by Microsoft, I will try to do one in that> > > language. It is analagous to IronPython -- in this case, a full > > > Ruby> > > implementation built on the .NET platform. > > > > > > Jamal > > > On Sat, 20 Oct > > > 2007, Veli-Pekka Tätilä wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:46:22 +0300 > > > > From: Veli-Pekka Tätilä <vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: Re: Fruit basket program in Boo, Other Script Langs > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > Interesting to see more exotic scripting langs like Boo here. Does > > > > anyone here know Lua, by the way?> > > > Another lang that should be included is the Java way into > > > > scripting,> > > > namely Groovy: > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groovy_%28programming_language%29 > > > > > > > > What's the MS equivalent, i.e. is there a .NET based scripting > > > > language out there? I do know there's VBA and the Windows Power > > > > Shell but not sure if I'd classify either as a scripting lang > > > > directly. More like domain specific environments. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > > > > Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: > > > > http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila > > > > > > > > Jamal Mazrui wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >From the zip archive at > > > > > http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/boo_fruit.zip > > > > > > > > > > This fruit basket program is written in Boo -- Full source code > > > > > in the zip archive and pasted below. The batch file compile.bat > > > > > invokes the command-line compiler for this scripting language.> > > > > The resulting executable, boo_fruit.exe, is about 12K in size. > > > > > No> > > > > other files are needed to run the program -- as long as the .NET > > > > > Framework 2.0 is installed. > > > > > > > > > > Boo borrows syntax from Python, seeks to improve it, and combine> > > > > strengths of both static and dynamic languages. Its home page > > > > > is> > > > > at http://boo.codehaus.org Boo resources, including the > > > > > interpreter, compiler, documentation, and examples are available > > > > > from > > there. > > > > >> > > > > I am still learning Boo, but was able to produce a working > > > > > program> > > > > by converting the first C# fruit basket program I did via a web > > > > > form available at > > > > > http://codeconverter.sharpdevelop.net/Convert.aspx> > > > > For comparison, the C# code is available in the file > > > > > cs_fruit.cs.> > > > __________ > > > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > > > __________ > > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > > __________ > > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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