Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

  • From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:21:26 -0600

I tried that once.  I was pasting stuff from a document we had that
was a procedure.   It was in tabular form and I was selecting text in
one of the cells to paste into a sort of faq we have here for our
employees afterwhich I modified the text and saved my changes.  I did
this for about 60 or 70 items which took me the better part of 2
hours.  A week or so later, I noticed that my additions had been
removed and then altered.  When I inquired as to why, it turned out
that sharepoint also pasted in formatting from word and the visual
look of my changes was messing up the whole page because it didn't go
with what was there.  This is why I just raw code my stuff in html by
hand now because that is the only way I can be sure that it's not
going to do something behind the scenes on me.  There was no
indication for me before that it formatted poorly, you see.
Apparently, it copied cell borders and color coding from the other
document but, no nested tables or tables of any kind for that matter
were reported by Jaws.  If this cutting and pasting of text works for
you, Jim, that's great.  However, I think you might want to have a
sighted friend look at some of the stuff you paste from time to time
to make sure what happened to me doesn't happen to you.  .

Thanks.
Alex M

On 12/14/10, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have successfully written content in Word 2007 and have pasted it into the
> rich text editor. As a matter of fact, when I use the wiki feature, I write
> stuff in a text editor and paste into the rich text editor. It's a little
> cumbersome, but it works. I think it's quicker than using the More
> Accessible mode, which is less accessible sometimes.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
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>
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> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 12:20 AM
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> Subject: re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
>
> Hi, Rick,
>
> SharePoint 2010 is what we have at work.  I personally don't care for
> it.  Workflow colaboration in there is just painful right now.
> Browsing content is pretty accessible but creating it is still a bit
> hairy.  I have to write my stuff in raw html so that it works
> propperly whenever I have to add content to my department's website.
> also uploading html content you created is a bit difficult.  You
> pretty much have to use it in conjunction with SharePoint Designer
> because if you write your stuff by hand and it includes multiple files
> and things, you have to put it up through the My Network Places
> directory in windows instead of directuly in the site.  some of the
> navigation is now more  Haccessible but there's something of a
> learning curve.  I'd stay away from it unless you just have to use it,
> honestly.  Have you looked into Alfresco?
>
> http://www.alfresco.com/
>
> Not bashing Microsoft but lately, a lot of their stuff just has been
> accessible on paper but not in fact.  this is for many reasons but the
> biggest one in my opinion is that they are changing the rules of the
> game with UIA and there doesn't seem to be much work between them and
> the assistive technology vendors for windows screen readers so that
> everyone is on the same page.  Everything really started going
> downhill with them with the introduction of the ribbon interface and
> has just kept getting worse though, perhaps, now that screen readers
> are finally starting to catch up with UIA, things are going to improve
> soon.  wish they'd do it with free patches to their products though.
> My sma with Jaws is coming up and if I renew, it will be grudgingly
> and only out of sheer necessity this time.
>
> the place where a lot of exciting things related to accessibility seem
> to be happening right now seems to be Linux.  I've managed to just
> about double ifnot tripple the number of accessible applications of
> all sorts which I have access to ever since I put vinux on a virtual
> machine and started running it alongside windows.  Once gnome 3 comes
> out and they do all that work with at-spi and the work with the QT
> bridge, a whole bunch of previously inaccessible stuff is going to be
> accessible over there which will be just awesome!
>
> Regards,
> Alex M
>
>
> You wrote:
>
>        Hi: I know very little about CMS. As a result of Jamal using it, I
> have looked at some of the Drupal docs by googling but am having trouble
> wrapping my head around exactly how it all works since I am an old
> Microsoft user. I am trying to figure out a similar option in the
> Microsoft World. So far I think that Sharepoint and Open Office, both 2010
> versionws with accessibility, sound like they are the Microsoft
> counterpart to Drupal. does this sound about right? Since they support
> ARIA and the other new Web Standards, or at least some articles say they
> do, has anyone tried them out? If there is another Microsoft thingy where
> it looks or works sort of a CMS with DB storage and perhaps Media support
> could you mention it so I can do a little more digging?
>
>        It looks like allot of blind folks are trying to use various CMS
> Websites and most of them are pretty bad. They also sound almost as
> complex to create and maintain as a standard Website developed in
> something like VWD. Anyway, thanks for any input you provide on CMS,
> Drupal or any Microsoft counterpart products that I can research a little
> more.
>
>        Again, the Microsoft 2010 versions of the Open Office and
> Sharepoint are suppose to be accessible where the older versions were not
> very accessible if that helps.
>
>        Rick USA
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