RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:05:28 -0500

No I do not use it on my local machine.  We have Ubuntu Linux servers with
Droople.

 

 

 

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:37 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

 

Hay Ken: Do you develop Drupal on your local machine? Is it running Windows
or Linux? Or, if Windows, did you use something like xampp or the MS Web
Platform Installer to build the development environment?

Rick USA

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ken Perry <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:14 AM

Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

 

Do you ever do a presentation at CSUN?  If you don't you should.  We use
droople at APH and love it but it would be nice to get some Drooplites to do
some presentations.

 

Ken

 

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:48 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

 

Good morning,

 

Thought I'd jump in here.  I am currently the Drupal 7 Core accessibility
maintainer, which basically means I help to organize efforts around ensuring
that Drupal is the most accessible CMS that it can be.  We are by no means
perfect, but we have made some noticeable improvements over Drupal 6, and
Drupal 6 wasn't all that bad.

 

Yes, Drupal powers Whitehouse.gov, along with many other government sites.
It is a robust, secure and highly extensible CMS.  However, any
accessibility problems you may notice on a site powered by Drupal has very
little to do with Drupal itself, sometimes people who make custom themes for
Drupal end up making their site less accessible than Drupal would be out of
the box, because they know little if anything about accessibility.

 

Drupal is a more difficult to learn system than something like Wordpress.
Generally speaking, Wordpress is designed for people who want to quickly
throw up their own site, whereas Drupal is designed for site builders and
developers as a platform that can be used to launch more complex web
solutions.  With the recent release of Wordpress 3 and the soon to be
released Drupal 7 (currently in RC1), this difference has been lessened, but
definitely still exists.

 

Both Wordpress and Drupal have many contributed modules and themes, to
extend functionality and to modify the look and feel (along with the markup)
of your site.  Most anything you would ever want a Drupal site to do can be
accomplished with existing contributed modules.  If you do need
functionality that is currently not acheivable with contributed modules then
you would need to create a module using the module API, modules are
developed in PHP, as is all of Drupal.

 

HTH,

Everett Zufelt

http://zufelt.ca

 

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On 2010-12-11, at 5:46 AM, RicksPlace wrote:

 

Hi Katherine: Well, don't give up on MS just yet. I have just started
looking at how to develop Sharepoint solutions in Visual Studio and it
sounds pretty clean and powerful as an integrated approach. I know I tried
building a Local Website using Web Parts in VB.net 2008 and found the
experience not screen reader friendly. Or, at least, not as friendly as
using standard UI Controls in a regular old Website. When Windoweyes 8 comes
out I might take a look at Vb.net 2010 to see what, if any, Sharepoint tools
are included in the package and how accessible they are. In the meantime I
have seen that various U.S. Government agencies and even the White House are
supposedly using Drupal according to one Drupal Website Webpage. That means
that it must be accessible and quite configurable since I would never have
guessed those websites were CMS sites. They just look and perform like
regular websites unlike many of the Drupal and other CMS sites I have
visited recently. So, it seems Drupal can be used effectively if one knows
what they are doing. My only reason for not jumping on it is that I like to
develop on my local machine and to do that with Drupal I would have to
either install something like xampp or whatever to get a simulated Linux
Environment, set up a Duel Boot software disc somehow or implement the
Microsoft IIS based Web Platform which is a huge mess to fix if anything
goes wrong with any of it's many,, many modules installed. In fact, one
problem would likely be port conflicts between my current Sql Server and the
MySql server which would be automatically installed. Anyway, I don't like
headaches so am just holding off on playing with Drupal even though it
sounds pretty nice I am of the KISS school of thought - Keep It Simple Sir!
(Note: you can substitute any word starting with "S" for the word "Sir" in
the above phrase - grin. Oh Ya, I am not so sure that the thousand or so
apps created by third party folks are designed to be accessible to screen
readers so that is always a concern as well when working with an Open Source
Project with no Accessibility standards for third party software plugs or
apps.
Well, that's all I have this morning from
chilly Farmington Michigan and I am off to do a little more reading on
Visual Studio 2010 and Sharepoint 2010 with any related offerings like
Office or other modules and compare the development and maintenance process
to that of Drupal. Right now I am not sure which way to fall - headaches
with Linux on a Windows machine or working in Visual Studio and withthe
built-in Sharepoint and other tools and the learning curve of WPF and
Silverlight if necessary. I really will tend twoard the one that is the most
stable over the next 5 years or so, has the easiest procedures for working
with sites and offers the greatest flexibility. Oh ya, also add in a
weighted factor based on the learning curve. I would like to work in the
Linux environment mainly because so many of the old timers on this list work
in it but I have had my doubts about how productive I might be in that
environment compared to a comprehensive integrated IDE.
I must wait  for  Windoweyes 8 to see how accessible vb.net 2010 or other VS
products will be with it since they use the new UIA Accessibility hooks.
Later Katherine and don't give up on MS Stuff just pick the right tool for
the job - that is what the qualified professionals do:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Moss"
<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:27 AM
Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?




Oh gosh, Jamal, thanks!  These anti-Microsoft folks are killing me!  And

whoever called Mojo Portal "Mojo thing that no one has heard of" better

think again.  I'm a volunteer on the project, and I don't appreciate

people's work being insulted.  And besides, that CMS works on Linux despite

it's coding.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui

Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:27 PM

To: ProgrammingBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

 

Hi Rick,

Here is the web site of an ASP.NET-based CMS:

 

DotNetNuke - The Leading Open Source Web Content Management Platform for

ASP.NET -

 

http://www.dotnetnuke.com/

 

Jamal

 

-----Original Message-----

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace

Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:43 AM

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

 

Hi Gang: Jim, I don't know just yet. My preference would be to just learn

whatever Jamal is doing but I am now thinking of putting up some sites for

some blind folks so their sites are kept up to date and work well with

screen readers so I am not sure about the scope of my involvement. It might

be Drupal based or, more likely if really accessible, something in the

Microsoft venu since I am familiar with their DB stuff and coding websites

using various ASP Controls and Server Side coding technicals.

For development I might use one of the packages Jacques or Katherine

mentioned but I can start reading up on them to get some color on what this

stuff is all about.

Hay, Jacques, are you French? If so, are you from across the pond?

Later and thanks for the ideas to explore.

Rick Farmington Michigan USA

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Katherine Moss <mailto:plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:19 AM

Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

 

 

Look at both Umbraco and Mojo Portal.

 

 

 

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace

Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:01 AM

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

 

 

 

Hi: I know very little about CMS. As a result of Jamal using it, I

have looked at some of the Drupal docs by googling but am having trouble

wrapping my head around exactly how it all works since I am an old

Microsoft user. I am trying to figure out a similar option in the

Microsoft World. So far I think that Sharepoint and Open Office, both 2010

versionws with accessibility, sound like they are the Microsoft

counterpart to Drupal. does this sound about right? Since they support

ARIA and the other new Web Standards, or at least some articles say they

do, has anyone tried them out? If there is another Microsoft thingy where

it looks or works sort of a CMS with DB storage and perhaps Media support

could you mention it so I can do a little more digging?

 

It looks like allot of blind folks are trying to use various CMS

Websites and most of them are pretty bad. They also sound almost as

complex to create and maintain as a standard Website developed in

something like VWD. Anyway, thanks for any input you provide on CMS,

Drupal or any Microsoft counterpart products that I can research a little

more.

 

Again, the Microsoft 2010 versions of the Open Office and

Sharepoint are suppose to be accessible where the older versions were not

very accessible if that helps.

 

Rick USA

 

 

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