Ya Jim: That sounds about like what I've been reading so far.So I guess you can code some html, db stuff or other UI or back room stuff and upload it using ftp to the appropriate folders and files on some Drupal host site as Ty had said. The option of installing Apachee, PHP and the Linux support modules on my Windows XP machine sounds like a pain and that Web Platform Installer of Microsoft's was fraught with problems the last time I looked at it. Also, if I develop PHP for windows under IIS it might not be completely compatible with another Linux based environment after I upload it. Well, enough for today so see you on the flip side.
Rick USA.----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options? Hi Rick,You'd do this if you were creating HTML and uploading it as static files that the web server would pass to the person who browses your site. But, if you use something like Drupal, you might do something like type content into MS Word and spell check it, open up your browser, go to a form that has a big text field, and paste your content.
I think that maybe Ty is saying that WinSCP gets the file from a server and fires up a Windows editor. He changes the file and saves it. WinSCP then puts the new file back on the server. I hope I'm understanding this.
In the past, I have used FTP to get a file from the server manually, open an editor, change the file, then use FTP to put it back. I then would fire up my web browser and browse the file to make sure it looks like what I want it to look. Another way you can do all of this is to keep a copy of the web site on your local machine and change the files there, and test them, then put them up on the server. And if you have some sort of dynamic environment that might include something like PHP with MySQL, you could get yourself a Windows version of Apache, PHP, and MYSQL, install it, and pretend that the whole web site is on your computer and test the thing there until you're ready to shoot the files up to the real server.
You can get such an environment at http://www.apachefriends.org/.And if you want to do this in the Microsoft world using something like Active Server Pages, you'd probably get something like Internet Information Services, which used to be free with Windows XP, and just go into Control Panel and add it through Add/Remove and choose Windows Components. I don't know how it's done with Vista or Windows 7 these days. And you'd probably use ODBC and some database or other, like Access, MySQL, or something. You can also hook up PHP to Internet Information Services.
Thanks. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.hommeInternal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:33 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options? Hi Ty: Thanks. I looked at the ftp thingy and get how it works. One question, when you open a server file on your local machine, that is, when you hit enter on a server file you want to edit and it is loaded into your text editor of choice; Can you then save the file to your local machine for later work offline? Then I would guess you would just upload it using ftp as usual when done if you can work offline. Also, how do you test your coding changes? You upload the modified file to the server and then what? Do you just run the website and look for browser error messages or is there something else that helps you debug your code? Thanks again Ty: Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Rick, What I do is just use WINScp, which allows me to use any editor I wish. Basically I connect through scp/sftp and when I hit enter on a file, it brings it up in the editor of my choosing, I do my editing and save and it uploads it for me. If you want to get something like this going, let me know and I can help. On 12/10/2010 11:56 AM, RicksPlace wrote:Thanks Jamal: Question, are you developing for Drupal, your NonVisualDevelopment site, on your local machine and, if so, is it a Windows OS running something like xampp or a version of the IIS installation procedure? Do you have a duel boot machine or how do you work on your website prior to uploading the html, db stuff or event processors? Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> To: <ProgrammingBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?Hi Rick, Here is the web site of an ASP.NET-based CMS: DotNetNuke - The Leading Open Source Web Content Management Platform for ASP.NET - http://www.dotnetnuke.com/ Jamal -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:43 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options? Hi Gang: Jim, I don't know just yet. My preference would be to just learn whatever Jamal is doing but I am now thinking of putting up some sites for some blind folks so their sites are kept up to date and work well with screen readers so I am not sure about the scope of my involvement. It might be Drupal based or, more likely if really accessible, something in the Microsoft venu since I am familiar with their DB stuff and coding websites using various ASP Controls and Server Side coding technicals. For development I might use one of the packages Jacques or Katherine mentioned but I can start reading up on them to get some color on what this stuff is all about. Hay, Jacques, are you French? If so, are you from across the pond? Later and thanks for the ideas to explore. Rick Farmington Michigan USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Moss <mailto:plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:19 AM Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options? Look at both Umbraco and Mojo Portal. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:01 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options? Hi: I know very little about CMS. As a result of Jamal using it, I have looked at some of the Drupal docs by googling but am having trouble wrapping my head around exactly how it all works since I am an old Microsoft user. I am trying to figure out a similar option in the Microsoft World. So far I think that Sharepoint and Open Office, both 2010 versionws with accessibility, sound like they are the Microsoft counterpart to Drupal. does this sound about right? Since they support ARIA and the other new Web Standards, or at least some articles say they do, has anyone tried them out? If there is another Microsoft thingy where it looks or works sort of a CMS with DB storage and perhaps Media support could you mention it so I can do a little more digging? It looks like allot of blind folks are trying to use various CMS Websites and most of them are pretty bad. They also sound almost as complex to create and maintain as a standard Website developed in something like VWD. Anyway, thanks for any input you provide on CMS, Drupal or any Microsoft counterpart products that I can research a little more. Again, the Microsoft 2010 versions of the Open Office and Sharepoint are suppose to be accessible where the older versions were not very accessible if that helps. Rick USA __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- Thanks, Ty __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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