Question, do you have a hello world already up and running? Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:56 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Sina Bahram; blindwebbers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex Sure. The landing page for Adobe open source projects, including the Flex SDK, is at http://OpenSource.adobe.com Jamal On 4/10/2011 9:33 AM, Sina Bahram wrote: > I see. In that case, this might be worth exploring. > > Do you have the flex SDK downloaded, and can point to some pointers. > > I'm slammed this month, but if it's a matter of writing some code, I might > enjoy at least having it on the laptop so I can fiddle > with it. > > I'll share anything I learn. > > Take care, > Sina > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:15 AM > To: Sina Bahram > Cc: blindwebbers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex > > Adobe includes a command-line compiler for ActionScript and MXML in the > Flex 4 SDK. It also sells a commercial IDE called Flash Builder, which > is based on Eclipse. There is a 60 day trial version of that IDE, I think. > > Jamal > > > On 4/10/2011 8:40 AM, Sina Bahram wrote: >> I agree, which brings up a second question of whether flash would be a >> platform in which to try to see if the accessibility >> translates or not? >> >> Last I checked though, there wasn't an open source action script compiler. >> Has this changed? >> >> Take care, >> Sina >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx] >> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:12 PM >> To: blindwebbers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Cc: Sina Bahram; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex >> >> Oh, my understanding is as follows. I think Adobe's intent is to >> support IA2 on Windows, and possibly ATSPI on Linux, and the Apple >> Accessibility Protocol on the Mac. I am not sure about the platforms >> other than Windows, but Adobe Flex and Flash are intended as >> cross-platform technologies, so that would make sense if accessibility >> was also to be cross-platform. As far as I know, Adobe chose IA2 over >> UIA. I think the latest UIA now includes bridges between UIA and MSAA >> in both directions, so an assistive technology client might still get >> accessibility support through UIA, but it would not be more than what is >> automatically translated from IA2 to MSAA to UIA, as far as I know. >> >> Feel free to continue to discuss, and I hope others join, too. I think >> that Flash is a popular enough and pervasive enough technology area >> that, despite other frustrations with Adobe, I think we should try to >> take advantage of accessibility APIs that they say they have now >> implemented. >> >> Jamal >> >> >> On 4/9/2011 10:08 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: >>> Jamal, >>> >>> Right right, but what I am saying is what interface will it be exposed >>> through? You mentioned that MSAA is a subset of IA2, and in a >>> way that's right, but even the subset features could be exposed via some >>> other MIDL defined thing, right? So for example, to be >>> quite technical, what function calls are being used to consume the >>> information? >>> >>> The reason I'm wondering is this. Does this then mean that differing >>> amounts, levels, and paradigms of accessibility are available >>> into flex dependant upon the hosting application/process? >>> >>> For example, UIA has what, 28 or so roles that it can expose, and then >>> compossits of any of those, whereas IA2 has a differing >>> amount. >>> >>> Take care, >>> Sina >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:empower%40smart.net>] >>> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:16 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind%40freelists.org> >>> Cc: Sina Bahram; blindwebbers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:blindwebbers%40yahoogroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex >>> >>> Hi Sina, >>> I think IA2 is a superset of MSAA, and that a fruit basket program would >>> probably only use the MSAA core. Hopefully, however, this could inspire >>> others to go further than a fruit basket program with more sophisticated >>> apps that took better advantage of IA2. >>> >>> I am still trying to understand this, but think there are different ways >>> of running a Flex/Flash app, some more embedded within an HTML page and >>> others more in a separate Flash window. I want to experiment through >>> this process in learning the accessibility implications of different >>> approaches. >>> >>> My understanding is that, with IE, the Flash Player is an ActiveX >>> component that uses COM, whereas in most other browsers, including >>> Firefox, it is a browser plug-in with some other binary interface (. I >>> don't know more than that at this point. >>> >>> Jamal >>> >>> On 4/9/2011 11:49 AM, Sina Bahram wrote: >>> > Jamal, are you thinking then that it will work via firefox? I can't >>> remember whether flex can be run stand alone, I'm thinking no? >>> > >>> > IE9 exposes UI Automation and MSAA through a broker, right? Thus, if >>> you want IAccessible2 bindings, you're going to have to go >>> > through Firefox to get them? >>> > >>> > Take care, >>> > Sina >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:programmingblind-bounce%40freelists.org> >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:programmingblind-bounce%40freelists.org>] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:37 AM >>> > To: programmingblind; blindwebbers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:blindwebbers%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > Subject: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex >>> > >>> > I've been studying the Adobe Flex framework, which uses Flash Player >>> as >>> > a runtime engine for ActionScript code (like JavaScript). I would >>> like >>> > to create a fruit basket program with free tools, rather than >>> commercial >>> > IDEs like Adobe Flash Builder. There is a command-line compiler, but >>> > few examples of how to develop an app without an IDE. I may >>> eventually >>> > figure it out, as I have done much reading, but if anyone has >>> knowledge >>> > of this and would like to work together in building such a fruit >>> basket >>> > , let me know. >>> > >>> > At the CSUN conference, I learned that Flex 4 implements the >>> > IAccessible2 API. 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