RE: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:21:55 -0400
Question, do you have a hello world already up and running?
Take care,
Sina
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Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
Sure. The landing page for Adobe open source projects, including the
Flex SDK, is at
http://OpenSource.adobe.com
Jamal
On 4/10/2011 9:33 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
> I see. In that case, this might be worth exploring.
>
> Do you have the flex SDK downloaded, and can point to some pointers.
>
> I'm slammed this month, but if it's a matter of writing some code, I might
> enjoy at least having it on the laptop so I can fiddle
> with it.
>
> I'll share anything I learn.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
>
> Adobe includes a command-line compiler for ActionScript and MXML in the
> Flex 4 SDK. It also sells a commercial IDE called Flash Builder, which
> is based on Eclipse. There is a 60 day trial version of that IDE, I think.
>
> Jamal
>
>
> On 4/10/2011 8:40 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>> I agree, which brings up a second question of whether flash would be a
>> platform in which to try to see if the accessibility
>> translates or not?
>>
>> Last I checked though, there wasn't an open source action script compiler.
>> Has this changed?
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>>
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>> From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:12 PM
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>> Cc: Sina Bahram; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
>>
>> Oh, my understanding is as follows. I think Adobe's intent is to
>> support IA2 on Windows, and possibly ATSPI on Linux, and the Apple
>> Accessibility Protocol on the Mac. I am not sure about the platforms
>> other than Windows, but Adobe Flex and Flash are intended as
>> cross-platform technologies, so that would make sense if accessibility
>> was also to be cross-platform. As far as I know, Adobe chose IA2 over
>> UIA. I think the latest UIA now includes bridges between UIA and MSAA
>> in both directions, so an assistive technology client might still get
>> accessibility support through UIA, but it would not be more than what is
>> automatically translated from IA2 to MSAA to UIA, as far as I know.
>>
>> Feel free to continue to discuss, and I hope others join, too. I think
>> that Flash is a popular enough and pervasive enough technology area
>> that, despite other frustrations with Adobe, I think we should try to
>> take advantage of accessibility APIs that they say they have now
>> implemented.
>>
>> Jamal
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2011 10:08 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>> Jamal,
>>>
>>> Right right, but what I am saying is what interface will it be exposed
>>> through? You mentioned that MSAA is a subset of IA2, and in a
>>> way that's right, but even the subset features could be exposed via some
>>> other MIDL defined thing, right? So for example, to be
>>> quite technical, what function calls are being used to consume the
>>> information?
>>>
>>> The reason I'm wondering is this. Does this then mean that differing
>>> amounts, levels, and paradigms of accessibility are available
>>> into flex dependant upon the hosting application/process?
>>>
>>> For example, UIA has what, 28 or so roles that it can expose, and then
>>> compossits of any of those, whereas IA2 has a differing
>>> amount.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
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>>> Subject: Re: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
>>>
>>> Hi Sina,
>>> I think IA2 is a superset of MSAA, and that a fruit basket program would
>>> probably only use the MSAA core. Hopefully, however, this could inspire
>>> others to go further than a fruit basket program with more sophisticated
>>> apps that took better advantage of IA2.
>>>
>>> I am still trying to understand this, but think there are different ways
>>> of running a Flex/Flash app, some more embedded within an HTML page and
>>> others more in a separate Flash window. I want to experiment through
>>> this process in learning the accessibility implications of different
>>> approaches.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that, with IE, the Flash Player is an ActiveX
>>> component that uses COM, whereas in most other browsers, including
>>> Firefox, it is a browser plug-in with some other binary interface (. I
>>> don't know more than that at this point.
>>>
>>> Jamal
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2011 11:49 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>> > Jamal, are you thinking then that it will work via firefox? I can't
>>> remember whether flex can be run stand alone, I'm thinking no?
>>> >
>>> > IE9 exposes UI Automation and MSAA through a broker, right? Thus, if
>>> you want IAccessible2 bindings, you're going to have to go
>>> > through Firefox to get them?
>>> >
>>> > Take care,
>>> > Sina
>>> >
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>>> > Subject: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
>>> >
>>> > I've been studying the Adobe Flex framework, which uses Flash Player
>>> as
>>> > a runtime engine for ActionScript code (like JavaScript). I would
>>> like
>>> > to create a fruit basket program with free tools, rather than
>>> commercial
>>> > IDEs like Adobe Flash Builder. There is a command-line compiler, but
>>> > few examples of how to develop an app without an IDE. I may
>>> eventually
>>> > figure it out, as I have done much reading, but if anyone has
>>> knowledge
>>> > of this and would like to work together in building such a fruit
>>> basket
>>> > , let me know.
>>> >
>>> > At the CSUN conference, I learned that Flex 4 implements the
>>> > IAccessible2 API. Essentially the same code can run either in a
>>> browser
>>> > via the Flash Player plug-in, or as a desktop app via the Adobe AIR
>>> runtime
>>> >
>>> > I have collected text tutorials on Adobe Flex at
>>> > http://EmpowermentZone.com/flex_doc.zip
>>> >
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