RE: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 09:33:34 -0400
I see. In that case, this might be worth exploring.
Do you have the flex SDK downloaded, and can point to some pointers.
I'm slammed this month, but if it's a matter of writing some code, I might
enjoy at least having it on the laptop so I can fiddle
with it.
I'll share anything I learn.
Take care,
Sina
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
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To: Sina Bahram
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Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
Adobe includes a command-line compiler for ActionScript and MXML in the
Flex 4 SDK. It also sells a commercial IDE called Flash Builder, which
is based on Eclipse. There is a 60 day trial version of that IDE, I think.
Jamal
On 4/10/2011 8:40 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
> I agree, which brings up a second question of whether flash would be a
> platform in which to try to see if the accessibility
> translates or not?
>
> Last I checked though, there wasn't an open source action script compiler.
> Has this changed?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
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> From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:12 PM
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> Subject: Re: [BW] RE: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
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> Oh, my understanding is as follows. I think Adobe's intent is to
> support IA2 on Windows, and possibly ATSPI on Linux, and the Apple
> Accessibility Protocol on the Mac. I am not sure about the platforms
> other than Windows, but Adobe Flex and Flash are intended as
> cross-platform technologies, so that would make sense if accessibility
> was also to be cross-platform. As far as I know, Adobe chose IA2 over
> UIA. I think the latest UIA now includes bridges between UIA and MSAA
> in both directions, so an assistive technology client might still get
> accessibility support through UIA, but it would not be more than what is
> automatically translated from IA2 to MSAA to UIA, as far as I know.
>
> Feel free to continue to discuss, and I hope others join, too. I think
> that Flash is a popular enough and pervasive enough technology area
> that, despite other frustrations with Adobe, I think we should try to
> take advantage of accessibility APIs that they say they have now
> implemented.
>
> Jamal
>
>
> On 4/9/2011 10:08 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>> Jamal,
>>
>> Right right, but what I am saying is what interface will it be exposed
>> through? You mentioned that MSAA is a subset of IA2, and in a
>> way that's right, but even the subset features could be exposed via some
>> other MIDL defined thing, right? So for example, to be
>> quite technical, what function calls are being used to consume the
>> information?
>>
>> The reason I'm wondering is this. Does this then mean that differing
>> amounts, levels, and paradigms of accessibility are available
>> into flex dependant upon the hosting application/process?
>>
>> For example, UIA has what, 28 or so roles that it can expose, and then
>> compossits of any of those, whereas IA2 has a differing
>> amount.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:empower%40smart.net>]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:16 PM
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>> Cc: Sina Bahram; blindwebbers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:blindwebbers%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
>>
>> Hi Sina,
>> I think IA2 is a superset of MSAA, and that a fruit basket program would
>> probably only use the MSAA core. Hopefully, however, this could inspire
>> others to go further than a fruit basket program with more sophisticated
>> apps that took better advantage of IA2.
>>
>> I am still trying to understand this, but think there are different ways
>> of running a Flex/Flash app, some more embedded within an HTML page and
>> others more in a separate Flash window. I want to experiment through
>> this process in learning the accessibility implications of different
>> approaches.
>>
>> My understanding is that, with IE, the Flash Player is an ActiveX
>> component that uses COM, whereas in most other browsers, including
>> Firefox, it is a browser plug-in with some other binary interface (. I
>> don't know more than that at this point.
>>
>> Jamal
>>
>> On 4/9/2011 11:49 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>> > Jamal, are you thinking then that it will work via firefox? I can't
>> remember whether flex can be run stand alone, I'm thinking no?
>> >
>> > IE9 exposes UI Automation and MSAA through a broker, right? Thus, if
>> you want IAccessible2 bindings, you're going to have to go
>> > through Firefox to get them?
>> >
>> > Take care,
>> > Sina
>> >
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>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:37 AM
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>> > Subject: Seeking collaborators for a fruitbasket in Adobe Flex
>> >
>> > I've been studying the Adobe Flex framework, which uses Flash Player as
>> > a runtime engine for ActionScript code (like JavaScript). I would like
>> > to create a fruit basket program with free tools, rather than commercial
>> > IDEs like Adobe Flash Builder. There is a command-line compiler, but
>> > few examples of how to develop an app without an IDE. I may eventually
>> > figure it out, as I have done much reading, but if anyone has knowledge
>> > of this and would like to work together in building such a fruit basket
>> > , let me know.
>> >
>> > At the CSUN conference, I learned that Flex 4 implements the
>> > IAccessible2 API. Essentially the same code can run either in a browser
>> > via the Flash Player plug-in, or as a desktop app via the Adobe AIR
>> runtime
>> >
>> > I have collected text tutorials on Adobe Flex at
>> > http://EmpowermentZone.com/flex_doc.zip
>> >
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