RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development.

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:43:26 -0800


Yes I am using the latest leopard but I had no idea there was a dom mode I
will check it out.

Ken 

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:26 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and
development.

   Ken, just out of curiosity, are you running Leopard (10.5.2) with DOM
navigation set to on?  In this mode, you can use VO as you'd use JFW, moving
from heading to heading, field to field, and link to link.  
etc.

   In my exp, along with setting Safari to use the tab key to cycle through
links, and option tab to move between form fields, I've had an easy time
filling out complicated forms / checking / responding to time-sensitive
material (email and such) on the web.

   Have a wonderful day and thanks so much for the update!?

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Mar 6, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Ken Perry wrote:

>
>
> I am ready to answer this question.  I tried out Voice over with 
> www.airset.com which is an ajax Calendar sharing program we use in the 
> office.  I also tried it out with Telis shared hosting which is the 
> web email that I have to use for my office mail.  It doesn't speak as 
> the page is updated that is just not how Voice over works.  It does 
> let you access everything on the page though and I was able to add 
> appointments and meetings easier with Voice over than Jaws because 
> Voice over forces you to see everything on the web page object at a 
> time.  Jaws misses some things and you have to use the mouse to 
> actually access items.  Also some times you have to update the screen 
> with jaws because of the buffered review mode.
> With voice over this is not a problem because the screen is 
> automatically updated but you have no idea this is going on because 
> there is no
> indication.    You either get used to less announcement of changes  
> or you
> will quit using Voice over fast.
>
> Reading my web mail was much harder than in jaws but that is only 
> because you are forced to go object by object to get to each field.  
> It is what I would call 100% accessible and only about 40% usable.  So 
> while Voice over allows you to do everything you want to on the web it 
> doesn't make it easy.
> You don't have all the nice short cuts that jaws, Window-eyes, and 
> System Access has but you do have a consistent interface that while 
> difficult never changes no matter if your web browsing or copying 
> files.  I am not sure I like it though in fact I find my self going to 
> my XP box across the room to
> check mail rather than check it at the Mac while I am goofing off.   
> I think
> there are a few years of updates that still need to be made to Voice 
> over to
> be something a first time user could sit down at and actually like.   
> Sure a
> geek can sit down and use it but it doesn't mean its enjoyable.
>
> Ken
>
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> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marlon 
> Brandão de Sousa
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:07 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and 
> development.
>
> Ok ... but is it fully accessible in the web, like would it be 
> possible to access gmail or more hard web apps with it or it is still 
> in the developement process like nvda is still?
> Marlon
>
> 2008/3/1, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>>
>> Yes I tried Safari but I do not like how it works. It works like the 
>> rest of the interface for the Mac so its not awful and you can get 
>> used to it but I would much rather be in NVDA, System Access and or 
>> any of the pay screen readers.
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