RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development.


Hmm you don't have to send it back.  The place I bought the Mac for work
from here in Victoria will put more ram in while you wait.  So while your
not supposed to be able to do it yourself they will do it at a Mac store.

Ken 

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:40 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and
development.

While the Mac OS hasn't completely sold me either, due to Pro Tools not
being accessible, I am watching their progress with interest.  I do have to
say, they have put a much more capable screen reader in Mac OS than
Microsoft was allowed to because of companies like FS, GW, and Dolphin. 
Still one of the biggest sticking points for me with the Mac is the pricing.

As for the Mac Mini in particular, once you have bought it, make sure you
got all of the ram etc. you will ever want in it because you cannot open the
case and add more without sending it back to Apple.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and
development.


> And about internet Ken? Did you try it and how it works?
> Marlon
>
> 2008/2/29, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Which Mac did you try 10.4 or 10.5  and when was it because there has 
>> even been improvements to 10.5
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> jyotsnakaki@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:24 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and 
>> development.
>>
>> I have been using a screen reader on Windows for 3+ years now and I 
>> tried switching over to a MAC and found it to be very hard to use. I 
>> had to give up because I could not get anything done. I personally 
>> hated the experience.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/08, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Let me point out it took a lot of work to find your reply to this.
>> > You really should put your reply above all the last post.  If that 
>> > is true maybe I will just purchase IWork and their numbers program 
>> > its only $82 anyway.  I think its stupid to put Microsoft office on 
>> > a Mac anyway if your really a Mac nut you should use Mac stuff.
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> > lras@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:59 AM
>> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and 
>> > development.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >Sent: Feb 29, 2008 12:40 PM
>> > >To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >Subject: RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and
>> > development.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >I just installed a Mac at work with a  20 inch screen with no 
>> > >vision at
>> > all.
>> > >It not only has a talking install but it also gave me a tutorial 
>> > >on Voice over when it started up.  I am not a Mac nut and do not 
>> > >like the interface but as for accessibility and doing everything 
>> > >you just mentioned it is fully accessible and all you asked about is
possible.
>> > >Something you will find coming from a window environment though is 
>> > >it is very different and will be tough to switch to.  After the 
>> > >switch though it works well.  I will say though that I have now 
>> > >installed Ubuntu, Vista, and Mac and Mac was the easiest install.  
>> > >The voice is very good and very responsive.  I have not used 
>> > >Microsoft Office on it yet or Iwork yet because we have not 
>> > >purchased a copy of it for the Mac yet.  That will happen in the 
>> > >next couple weeks though and then I will be able to comment more 
>> > >from a Mac beginners stand point on how easy it is
>> > to use.
>> > >
>> > >I would suggest if you have a friend that loves his mac so much 
>> > >then do some web browsing there is a Mac blind users group and 
>> > >there are documents on all the key presses you need to know.  Just 
>> > >go over to your friends house and press the Apple key-F5 and your 
>> > >off and running with a talking Mac.  That way you would have him 
>> > >there to tell you when you are messing things up.  I do find one 
>> > >thing really annoying if your not careful on your Desktop and 
>> > >application list you can rename everything
>> > just by pressing enter on it.
>> > >That's right you don't press enter to open an application you 
>> > >Press Apple - O which is probably one of the hardest things to 
>> > >stop your finger from doing.  If you take your enter key off your 
>> > >Windows box a month before you start using the Mac you might do ok.
>> > >
>> > >Ken
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> > >Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:20 AM
>> > >To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
>> > >program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >Subject: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and 
>> > >development.
>> > >
>> > >Hi All.
>> > >
>> > >I'm sure this has been spoken about so many times but I've not 
>> > >been interested before.
>> > >
>> > >One of the guys at work has been talking about his mac and I'm 
>> > >pretty impressed.
>> > >
>> > >I'm thinking about one for home and I'm wondering about accessibility.
>> > >I know there's Voice Over which is the built in screen reader. How 
>> > >good is this, how does it compare to the plethora of windows 
>> > >screen
>> readers.
>> > >
>> > >Mostly I'd want to do email, office type applications, read books 
>> > >which are plain text or html, brows the web, maybe a bit of IM.
>> > >
>> > >I'd also want to develop PHP on it and some C++. what are the 
>> > >development environments like, how accessible are they?
>> > >
>> > >Any information gratefully received.
>> > >Cheers.
>> > >Nick.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Nick Adamson
>> > >Software Engineer
>> > >General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited
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