Hi:My humble thought on this, as I have been watching discussions of AJAX and accessibility, is that we're aiming here for what I'm thinking of as reference implementations.
This way, there can be good examples of ARIA-implementation to point to so that other Web sites may use it as a model. I hope we're not getting into screen-reader specific implementations, though I do realize/recognize that we are at an early-ish stage where a browser can be required.
It's like when we try to encourage a Web site to become more accessible; it always helps, in my experience, to point to samples. That way, you can say something like: "Here's an example so that you can see that XYZ can be done. And here are a few reasons why it's done right/works for this site."
Just my two cents. Jennifer At 11:01 AM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
Just a humble thought, but I'm not sure it's fair to compare them on sites that they've been hardcoded to work well with. For example, hardcoding gmail support is great, but does nothing for folks who want to use the thousands of other sites on the internet. System access has a great deal of potential, but the short comings of specific page support are pretty obvious. Take care, Sina ________________________________ From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:41 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: AJAX Accessible web page? To clarify, I referred to System Access, the screen reader from Serotek and the only one that works well with www.songza.com - a very AJAX based web page which is nice for comparing the screen readers against each other on just how well they work with AJAX. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Garaventa Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:09 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: AJAX Accessible web page? I think I'm getting my messages confused... ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hofstader <mailto:chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: RE: AJAX Accessible web page? I was referring to the screen reader from Serotek. ________________________________ From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Garaventa Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:22 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: AJAX Accessible web page? I'm not sure what you mean by system access. Are you referring to the screen reader, or the dev environment? I wrote all of the code for this project, barring a date js addin for the chat script, using php, javascript, css, and the jaws scripting language. My goal was to create a fully accessible ajax type application. This uses php and javascript to display the ajax type feedback, though I had no need to use actual ajax calls. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Perry <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: RE: AJAX Accessible web page? Hmm you sure it is not in system access? Ken ________________________________ From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Garaventa Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:14 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: AJAX Accessible web page? Yes, at http://gutterstar.net/dynamic_live_chat.php Though, at the present, new message announcement is supported in JAWS only. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Perry <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: AJAX Accessible web page? Has anyone made a truly accessible AJAX web page where it updates some kind of text on the screen lets say a calendar and as it updates the main screen readers, Jaws, System Access, Window-eyes, and hal all read it when it updates? If you have then please give me a reference to either a book or an example . Ken __________ NOD32 3021 (20080412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ NOD32 3021 (20080412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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